3rds & Thirds - What Are They? Playing & Having Fun

Tying in with your earlier comments about ‘nice little boxes’ …

@TheMadman_tobyjenner That is music to my ears Toby - metaphorically speaking, and hopefully literally in yours! :sunglasses:

I noticed… ,as everything sounds a little (and sometimes a lot) different in a different place…I was so happy that these Thirds helped me to discover more on other strings a little faster, than just on the e, b and g in single notes ( on the e,b and g string) in which pattern i playing and with double notes, that i didn’t get to explore any further or the obvious things :blush::sunglasses:


Thank you for this lesson, it’s a useful complement to the major/minor triad lessons over on the website. :slight_smile:

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I tried to play the thirds first with the root note of the chords on the 2nd string and it was kind of meh. Then I played the thirds as if the chords in the backing track were the root notes and that sounded much better. :slight_smile:

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Thanks for jumping aboard and beginning to explore and have some play time fun.
Both your observations about triads and about the sound over chords / roots will all connect with further aspects I will be adding to this topic along the line.

3rds & Thirds Part B - Some Theoretical Foundations

In Part A of this topic, I closed with some suggestions and prompts for using the 3rds over backing tracks.

Hopefully you have spent some time on that.

Have you done so with a critical listening ear?
Given that the backing tracks have other instruments and a filled out chord progression, what are you noticing as each chord comes along?
Do some of those 3rds sometimes sound beautiful and harmonious over some chords but not others?
Do some of them sound jarring and dissonant if you rest on them over a certain chord?
What’s going on here?


So far I have been referring to these pairs of notes on adjacent strings using the term 3rds. Whether played as double stop 3rds or arpeggiated 3rds, the name has been the same. That has been a deliberate and consistent choice. As we now move into exploring some of the underlying musical concepts in theory, we need a means of differentiating between two almost identical concepts - which I will do by using the terminology 3rds and thirds.

Up to now the whole emphasis has been on making the shapes of 3rds on your guitar, exploring, having fun and playing music with them. We next turn our attention to thirds as opposed to 3rds. A journey which will eventually loop right back around to 3rds again.

This first paragraph has been added in response to feedback and questions by @davidp and @roger_holland and @sclay below.

Thirds vs 3rds

So far, I have been using the abbreviated form of 3rds. I use this to mean a shape you play on two adjacent guitar strings, either as a double-stop or as two arpeggiated notes. Think of this as a physical hands-on musical thing. Below, I will be using the name third(s). Put simply, a third is an interval, a measure of musical distance, between any two musical notes. I use the long form and the abbreviated form to make a small but important distinction between two seemingly identical things.

Additionally, the word ‘third’ is also used to define the middle note (the 3) in a major (1, 3, 5) chord or a minor (1, b3, 5) chord. I will make efforts to avoid calling those middle notes thirds and refer to them as the numeric term 3 only. Be aware however that they are conventionally called thirds due to their importance within the context of the chords.


In the western system of music notation, the first seven letters of the alphabet are used to provide names. If we line up these letters in alphabetical order we have:


If you select any letter at random, it would be your start point - the first.
The next adjacent letter would count as the second.
The one after would be the third.

If you were to start at F or G you would need to consider that the list repeats - as these notes repeat in ascending and descending directions (higher and lower notes).



  • A to C represents an interval of a third
  • D to F represents an interval of a third
  • G to B represents an interval of a third

Now that we have a simple concept of interval naming, we need to broaden it out. Of the seven lettered notes, five have sharps / flats so we must apply the system to the totality of all 12 notes in western music. We need to look at the note circle.


The Note Circle

The Note Circle shows all the 12 notes that exist in Western music.

Note Circle

Moving clockwise around the circle takes us to notes higher in pitch and vice versa for anticlockwise. Note pairs E & F and B & C have no note between. Notes that can take two names are called enharmonic equivalents (G# = Ab for example).

The interval of a semitone is the smallest step on the guitar and is one fret. The interval of two semitones makes one whole tone. These two intervals make up scales.

Returning to the three examples above, the note circle highlights a crucial concept. The distances between the named pairs are not all equal.

Note Circle

  • A to C is a third of distance 3 semitones
  • D to F is a third of distance 3 semitones
  • G to B is a third of distance 4 semitones

All three intervals are thirds yet not all represent the same distance between musical notes.

Before continuing, it is vital to define that an interval of 4 semitones (2 whole tones) is a Major third and an interval of 3 semitones is a minor third.

  • A to C is a third of distance 3 semitones - a minor third
  • D to F is a third of distance 3 semitones - a minor third
  • G to B is a third of distance 4 semitones - a Major third

Next, we will look at connecting these pairs of intervals to the Major scale and to chord construction.

The Major Scale

Knowing about the Major scale is fundamental to understanding musical ideas, structures and language. It follows a fixed pattern of intervals around the note circle. That pattern, the Major scale formula, is:
Tone - Tone - Semitone - Tone - Tone - Tone - Semitone

This is shortened to:


where W = Whole (tone) and H = Half (tone).

The D Major Scale is a good place to start as we have been playing 3rds in the key of D.

Note that the interval markers sit between the notes of the scale, the intervals describe the distance between the notes.

Each of the seven notes in the D Major scale can be a root note for seven chords. All these chords would be within the key of D Major and all would be made up of notes from the D Major scale. This involves a little look at chord construction and a process called Harmonising the Major Scale.

Constructing a D Major chord from the D Major scale

Simple Major and minor chords are built from only three notes - their root (first) plus two others. These two other notes are found by counting along a scale pattern and choosing the note at an interval of a third from the root, then counting from that new note another third. This is easy to see by returning to the seven notes of the D Major scale and forming the D Major chord.
Here, and in subsequent chord constructions, we see a doubled D Major scale. The process to create the tonic D Major chord from the D Major scale is simple:

Count D, miss E, count F#, miss G, count A, stop.

This gives us the 1 (root), 3 and 5.

D is the Root note or 1.
Counting a third from D takes us to F#, called the 3 of the chord.
Counting a third from F# takes us to A, called the 5 of the chord.
The D Major chord contains the three notes D - F# - A, the 1, 3 and 5.


  • The interval from Root to 3 is four semitones - this is a Major third so the chord is D Major.
  • The 3 of the chord is literally at an interval of a third from the Root note and it is the third note of the scale itself.
  • The chord contains two intervals of a third The first is Major, the second is minor. Only the interval from Root to the 3 defines the Major or minor quality of a chord.
  • We have two contrasting thirds within the chord - one Major then one minor. This will be seen for all Major and minor chords, although the order will be reversed for minor chords.
  • The process of harmonising the Major scale to construct its diatonic chords is often referred to as stacking in thirds.
  • The interval from Root to 5 is called a ‘Perfect Fifth’ in Major and minor chords.
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Harmonising the D Major Scale

We will now work through the entire process of harmonising the D Major scale to create all seven chords within the key of D Major.

1] D Major chord = D - F# - A
The interval from Root to 3 is four semitones - this is a Major third so the chord is D Major.

2] E minor chord = E - G - B
The interval from Root to 3 is three semitones - this is a minor third so the chord is E minor.

3] F# minor chord = F# - A - C#
The interval from Root to 3 is three semitones - this is a minor third so the chord is F# minor.

4] G Major chord = G - B - D
The interval from Root to 3 is four semitones - this is a Major third so the chord is G Major.

5] A Major chord = A - C# - E
The interval from Root to 3 is four semitones - this is a Major third so the chord is A Major.

6] B minor chord = B - D - F#
The interval from Root to 3 is three semitones - this is a minor third so the chord is B minor.

7] C# diminished chord = C# - E - G (the awkward diminished chord)
The interval from Root to 3 is three semitones, this is a minor third BUT this is a C# diminished chord, not C# minor. This is due to the distance between its Root and 5 also being a minor third. The six Major and minor chords have an interval of a ‘perfect fifth’ (seven semitones) between their Root and 5. This diminished chord is unique in having a ‘diminished fifth’ interval (six semitones) between them.

We will return to 3rds and playing and the practical side and the fun somewhere further along … but there is a little more to explain and connect together first.

Having looked at the Major scale, chord construction using ‘stacked thirds’ (the Root, 3 and 5) then harmonising the Major scale, we will continue the journey with a look at open and barre chords, barre chords and triads, then triads will return us back to 3rds once again.

Open Chords and Barre Chords

When learning our first chords we learn open position chords. We learn five Major chords, E, D, A, C and G. The shapes / patterns of these give rise to what is called the CAGED system. We also learn three minor chords; Em, Dm and Am.

Playing those chord shapes away from the nut, using only fingers 2, 3 and 4, and with the index finger barring across the strings behind the shape, gives rise to movable barre chords. All barre chords are derived from open position chord shapes.

All Major and minor open chord shapes (and hence the barre chords too) contain one or more triad shapes. All triads are the smallest possible shape that can be played as a Major or a minor chord, containing the three notes first, third and fifth.
We will now look at the barre CAGED shapes for Major and minor chords, simply to see these diagrammatically


  • There are eight, not ten chord shapes - the C and G shapes do not give rise to a matching minor chord.
  • In total, there are five foundation Major chord shapes in the CAGED system, plus three minor shapes derived from the A, E and D shapes.
  • Strictly speaking, no barre is needed for the D-shape chords - but these are movable and tend to be referred to as barre shapes.

The intervals are shown on each diagram.

Root = Root

Major third = Major third

minor third = minor third

Perfect fifth = perfect fifth

Additional notes in response to a question / feedback raised by @davidp below.

Note the similarities and differences.

  • Major chords have a Major third interval from their Root to their 3.
  • Minor chords have a minor third interval between those two notes.
  • Major and minor chords have a perfect fifth interval between their Root and the 5.
  • Diminished chords are unique in having two minor third intervals between Root and 3 then 3 and 5, meaning they have a diminished fifth interval from Root to 5 (not a perfect fifth).

This diagram show the intervals described. Also we now see assigned the ‘flat’ symbol to the 3 of minor chords and to the 3 and 5 of diminished chords.

Barre Chords and Triads

Next we will take those barre chord shapes and pick out the triads within. For simplicity I am going to restrict this to only triads found on two sets of three adjacent strings, either on the D, G and B strings or on the G, B and E strings.