In the urinal case, I assume he purchased the urinal, and the vendors willingly sold it to him, along with the rights to use it in any way he wanted. And they weren’t selling as art, they were selling it as a functional piece of equipment.
If he had copied the design and started producing his own urinals and presenting them as his own design, that would have been ripping them off.
But presenting an everyday object in a different context and turning it from an everyday object into art… I don’t see that as ripping the original designer off at all.
The original designer didn’t lose out in any substantial way from him doing this (and may have, in fact, got some sales from it).
Taking some kitchen utensils a and hanging them from some wire so the wind can blow them together isn’t art. Taking those same utensils and creating an animal or something would be art.
So what you and Brian are saying is Every urinal in every art gallery in the world is Art. Just because Marcel Duchamp says so.
I’ll have to admire all the art on the walls next time in need use the can.
I’m not saying that. I’m saying that he’s presented it as art. And, regardless of whether you, I, or Brian think that it is, it’s not taking anything away from or “ripping off” the original designer of said urinal,
Now, is he ripping off the audience? That’s a different matter entirely…
Rick, could you please stop making things up and claiming others have said them?
This is the second consecutive post in which you have done so.
There is a quote function for when you want to repeat what people say, and I’d be happy to engage with you on anything I have actually written.
If you would like more information on Readymades or Found Art (Objet trouvé), here’s a Wikipedia article on it.
To be fair to you, under ‘Criticism’ it mentions:
“The found object in art has been a subject of polarised debate… It has been rejected by the general public and journalists, and supported by public museums and art critics.”
Would you be able to accept that you reject it, and I support it, without resorting to unpleasantries?
The way I feel about this, and all AI generated art, is why would I bother to listen to a song nobody could be bothered to sing?
Couple that with the massive environmental and societal impacts and I refuse to ever use it. I get so annoyed when I forget to type -ai to my google searches.
Yes, Richard, I heard it on the radio last week and have been searching just like that ever since… in recent months I have been getting annoyed with the wrong answers to my (okay, sometimes quite vague/difficult) questions and heard that so many wrong answers were given… so now everything… Google search…-AI
Yep! I actually only learned that one recently. Before that, I’d heard that it doesn’t like profanity, so I was cursing at the end of every search to avoid the ai.
Come to think of it, I wasn’t forgetting to do that nearly as much as I’ve been forgetting the -ai method…
Marcel Duchamp, you’re no champ, just a chump
But I can’t take a dump in your urinal
You labelled it Fountain, but I bet you weren’t counting
On being showered by my gold splashing spiral
I piss on your art. It’s readymade
I found it. It’s mine. Objet trouvé
It lives in the Tate, but it’s never too late
For temples to upturn their tables
Who am I? I’m your bastard son
The programmed painter, an algorhythmic song.
illegal mining of artists and ghosts
I’m prompted to say no
Ai, Ai, Aii…
Who am I? I’m your bastard son.
computerised actor, just a digital sum.
illegal miming of artists and ghosts
I’m prompted to say no
