Humidifying Guitars and Not Knowing Why

I agree with the comments saying that without a hygrometer you are basically flying blind WRT the actual humidity your guitars are experiencing.

I bought this one at my local music store, because my guitar got badly over humidified last summer during a record setting rainy July.

However, I canā€™t really recommend it. Itā€™s hard to read in normal to low light conditions, has a lot of low value extra features , and the battery only lasted a few months.

But it did pass the ā€œsalt testā€ mentioned upthread, and is certainly better than nothing.

Now that the heating season has started, Iā€™ve put my guitar stand in a large plastic bag made from two recycling bags taped together, with a damp kitchen sponge at the bottom.

Not very convenient, but lets me bring up the guitarā€™s humidity to around 50%, when the ambient humidity in my place is around 25%.

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Weā€™re just emerging from this 2 week cold snap, humidity had hovered around 16-20% in most of my house (hygrometers in three rooms), except in the guitar room because I humidified that one. Outside, its slowing climbing back up to 50ā€™s here, but accompanied by rain and intense fog, as is a happening to a good portion of the central US. With the fog, outside hum is increasing, so the hum in my house is, too. Itā€™s 30% in most of the house now, which is closer to typical for a normal winter in my city.

Wanted to share my experience with humidifying my guitar room. I went with room humidifiers versus the case ones, mainly because I already owned them, so it was cheaper, and I wanted the guitars out and in sight, especially since I just got a new one.

TL,DR: With humidifing, the guitar room didnā€™t keep consistent humidity from one side to the other, or from the low space to high space, very easily. I increased from one humidifier to two in the coldest part of the weeks to keep hum at 35% or higher. They needed refilling about every 8 to 10 hours. Itā€™s cheaper, if you already own the humidifiers, than it is to buy humidity packs for multiple guitars, but it is definitely more work. Basically, I need a humidifier sitting near or under each guitar(s) to keep that small part of the room humidified for enough time that allows me to not have to fill them every 4 hours.

The details:
I started out with one ultrasonic humidifier set on the highest setting in the middle of the room, and that did an okay job when outside hum was still around 40%. Inside it was around 30% and this machine was able to bring hum up to 50% (hold this thought).

Once the cold temps set in (below 0 and with -20 degree windchills), that single humidifier did nothing to bring up the moisture- this is just one medium sized bedroom, with the door shut at all times. Hum stayed at 20%. I brought in a second humidifier, an evaporative one. Itā€™s larger, holds more water, has a more powerful high setting. On the turbo setting, it could prob bring the humidity to 60% by itself, but would need to be filled every 4 hours. I canā€™t babysit a humidifier, I have to go to work every day. So it stayed on medium, and one fill could last about 10 hours. The ultrasonic one I kept on the high output setting and it needed filling every 12 hours. I finally got on a decent schedule of filling them both before bed, before I went to work, and when I got home from work.

With both humidifiers on med/high, the room seemed to stay about 30-35%. Still too low, technically. And when the heat kicked on, all through those cold days and nights, Iā€™m sure it was replacing all the nice humid air with dry hot air.

I have one acoustic hanging high on the wall, and one sitting in a stand on the floor, opposite sides of the room, as well as two electrics on the wall and one on the ground. I brought in a 2nd hygrometer, sat one literally on each acoustic, to see if the moisture was going to the ground or able to get to the upper parts of the space, or both, or neither. What I found that the air was not the same humidity in the different spaces in the room. Sigh.

The ultrasonically produced steam was heavy enough for some to fall to the low area, but the evaporated air was blowing upwards (prob due to the design of that humidifier). So I moved the ultrasonic to be near the guitars on the ground and the evaporator to be near the ones hanging on the wall. That seems to be working to get both sides of the room in about the 40-45% range. But it took about a week to figure all this out, and to determine the best output settings to optimize refilling to my schedule. By now the outside humidity is rising, so Iā€™m not sure if the humidifiers are doing it on their own or not. All I know is I did NOT want to get the room hum up too high (at 50% the room felt very moist and uncomfortable). I was able to keep the room around a modest 35% overnight/during the weekdays, and in the 45% range during the evenings/weekends when I can monitor everything.

The evaporative humidifier is a pain because it has a filter, and white mineral buildup accumulated on it (despite having a whole house water softener) and so that filter needed cleaning every day. It can output more air faster, but needs more filling and cleaning, whereas the smaller ultrasonic can put out high moisture steam on a less powerful output, but only in a small area.

I would love a humidifier with a function to set a desired humidity range and the device self-adjust output to keep a room at that range with no adjustments needed from me. I know they make them, but theyā€™re quite expensive, big, and require high effort to keep clean.

Ah the joys of the season.

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It is very possible that the hygrometers are not that accurate and so are just not reading the same.

I struggle with similar humidifier shenanigans. But in three years, several months of 30-35% RH has not harmed anything. So I try not to make a big deal of it, and since I only have to chase the humidity in the winter in colorado, it isnā€™t worth setting it up differently.

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In general I totally agree, 30-35% hasnā€™t bothered my Jasmine acoustic in over 15 years. I didnā€™t want to take a chance with a sudden drop to 15-20% with an $800 Taylor. Once weā€™re back to regular temps, and especially if we get some rainy days, I intend to set the humidifiers aside. I just figured in this extreme temp drop, I had to do something.

you can verify the relative calibration of the hygrometers by setting them next to each other for a bit and then seeing the difference. you can mark one as the reference then mentally adjust the second to see the room difference.
There is a joke about a man with two watches never knows what time it is. :slight_smile:

For the room gradient, you can keep a fan swirling the air in there and it will more evenly distribute. Wonā€™t take much, and you can turn it off when you play if it is annoying.

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I didnā€™t even think about turning on the fan. Great point! And yes Iā€™ll set them side by side and compare and make mental notes.

It is possibly worth buying one of the humidipaks just to use to calibrate the hygrometers against.

Of course, the calibration is only going to be as good as the error range on the pack (which is a bit unknown) but, if you do the calibration under reasonably controlled conditions, it should be a decent reference.

Cheers,

Keith

You can do a salt test to calibrate hygrometers (I posted a how to video in this thread). You can also buy a kit that is supported to be more accurate but Iā€™ve found the salt test to work fine.

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From what I saw, the calibration kit is really just a humidpak and a plastic bag.

Cheers,

Keith

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I might have to look into this. I used to live in a subtropical climate, and my guitar is designed to do pretty well between 30% and 70% humidity, which we were always in, and I cracked out the dehumidifier for us human beings when it started getting up near 70% anyway. Recently Iā€™ve moved to a place that gets dry heat, and we had a day that was at least 42Ā°C (but I suspect more because dark roof and also I felt like I was dying), and the next day all my strings were way out of tune, all very flat. Now that I think about it, thatā€™s probably wood drying out and shrinkingā€¦ yikesā€¦

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Thatā€™s not your guitar drying out. It would take weeks in a dry environment to cause that sort of effect.

If thereā€™s temperature change, itā€™s most likely to be that. I have had guitars go out of tune with temperature swings with no significant humidity change.

Guitars are made from wood and metal and these expand with heat. If the truss rod in your guitar neck changes length, that will probably make it a bit sharper.

But if the strings are made of metal then these will also tend to expand, making it flatter.

Which one wins depends on the properties of the metal as well as the other materials.

But the bottom line is temperature changes will usually make your guitar go out of tune.

If you arenā€™t sure, get a hygrometer so you know.

Cheers,

Keith

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Iā€™m a lot less worried now, cheers! Iā€™ll have to mosey down to the music shop at some point I think.

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Your best bet for a hygrometer is probably a cigar shop.

Cheers,

Keith

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