You are 100% correct Richard. I saw it here in Chicago the day it was released and it was just a snapshot of those early years when Dylan was starting out. It was entertaining but didnāt blow my mind.
Well I need to watch it, something to look forward to. I watch far to much tv these days
There is a primere in my country this Thursday and they did a very cool promotionā¦ you have to apply but there is a chance to win free tickets, if you come with a guitar. There will be only few people drawn, and they will have to play (together) the song Knocking on Heavens Door to get the vibes going for the movie. You just have to know some chords and basic rhytm, but the vocals will be done by a professional singer. How cool is that?
I was really thinking of applying myself, but weekdays evenings are bad timing for me, and it is also not in my vicinityā¦ so I will skip this one, but for sure I am going to see the movie soon.
And this is why I donāt watch stuff like this. I want to know about the person in the movie. I donāt want to come away from it and then find that some central piece of it was largely fiction.
The worst thing in movie credits is seeing the words ābased on a true storyāā¦ does that mean 1% fiction or 99% fiction? Iāll go and see something from Pixar if I want fiction (which I donāt)
they shoudnt call it a bio pic if the real story is turned into a fiction
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I understand this sentiment, but, as they say, donāt let perfection be the enemy of the good. I too would like these biopics to be 100% accurate (caveat: I havenāt seen the Dylan film, which hasnāt opened here yet).
For example: āWalk the Lineā was (for me) a great movie about Johnny Cash. It wasnāt accurate for certain things, depicting his struggle with drug abuse as overcome at a certain point, while in real life he had relapses and struggled his whole life with it. Nevertheless, āWalk the Lineā was awesome and I learned alot about Johnny Cash and the world around him. And aside from learning stuff, it was just very entertaining.
āRayā about Ray Charles was also an awesome movie which told me a lot about what it meant to be Ray Charles. Was it 100% accurate? Almost assuredly, no (it was a Hollywood movie after all). Still, it has a lot to offer.
You donāt want fiction? You donāt watch any movies or TV shows (that arenāt documentaries)? Or read any novels? I bet you listen to some music that is fiction
I donāt view music as either fiction or non-fiction. Iām mostly about the rhythm of it and rarely dig deeply into lyrics. Itās funny watching some YouTubers reacting to the tunes Iāve been listening to for 30+ years and they often take more detail from the words in one listen than Iāve taken in all that time.
And no, I watch zero TV (except pro cycling and motorcycle racing), havenāt watched a film or read any fiction in years.
I do get the point of about perfection being the enemy of the good. I do have a strong perfectionist streak but Iāve tamed that in recent years - it was always an obstacle to me learning guitar.
I think if I want to learn about Bob Iād choose to read about him instead. Obviously this can be inaccurate also but my preference is to read these days
same here
same here again
you can like fiction and not want it in something that is supposed to be a BIO pic
I studied History when I was at the university and I learned something precious
you DO NOT meddle with History , you do not change facts , you do not re write it
In the times we are facing , being able to tell the truth from the fake is essential , and those films do not help !
they re just making things harder , and make people more flexible to accept whats not true !
Hey @Carreta, did you go see it? What did you think?
It opened here a few days ago, I went to see it last night. (I had to wait a few days for the English-language version. I couldnāt bear the thought of seeing Bob Dylan talking Italian, yikes!).
Anyway, I thought it was great. Yes, there are some inaccuracies for sure (itās easy to find out what they are with a little internet research), but I felt the portrayal of Dylan and of those times was pretty darn good. Iām a lifelong Dylan fan, so I was bound to like it, I guess. The others I went with, though not particular fans, really liked the movie, too, so I wouldnāt say you have to be a Dylan nut to like the movie.
@jjw Hello John,
great to hear you enjoyed the movie.
I did not watch it yet even thou we have it in cinemas. But it is in English with subtittlesā¦ this wont be biggest problem, but I wanted to go here with my girlfriend, but she is sick now. Still thinking about how to find way to go there alone ASAP and not ātouch her heartā by that.
I cant wait! I am pretty sure it will inspire me to touch some of his song performed in movieā¦ I guess there will be some good selection, because I had goosebump from trailer.
Honestly, that is a BIG bonus, and no problem at all. Dubbing is awful once you know things can be so much better.
Where I live, nothing is ever dubbed, except for movies aimed at children who canāt read yet. And in that case, we can usually choose between the original version and the dubbed version.
In the southern part of Belgium however, movies are generally dubbed. A couple of years ago a colleague of mine who lived in the southern part went to the movies in Brussels - first time she saw a movie with subtitles. After that, she said she would never again go see a movie with subtitles. It had been a revelation to her, and had made her realise a lot gets lost by dubbing.
@LadyOfTheCastle Yeahā¦ many people around me told me original dubbing is great in everythingā¦ and I can understand 95% of things they are sayingā¦ but I still enjoy movie in my language much more. And subtittlesā¦ sometimes I think I watch them more than actual screenplay, even when I can understand what they are saying.
Of course many times I could see how many jokes are lost in translationā¦ but I will see. This looks like this movie wont be dubbed to my language at all.
Jokes are the hardest things to understand in a foreign language, so if they are often lost in translation, they are also very often lost in the original! (for non-native speakers)
I think there are pros and cons for watching films in the original language with subtitles and versions that are dubbed into your native language. Itās true, you lose something in the dubbed versions, but you also lose a lot by having to read the subtitles.
I think for this particular movie, it would be jarring to hear the characters speaking Italian (or whatever) and then start singing in perfect American English. Also, when there are historical figures involved (Johnny Cash speaking Italian???), it just doesnāt seem right.
Of course, having had subtitles all my life might have something to do with it, but I actually read the subtitles and listen at the same time. When the original is easy to follow, I donāt look at the subtitles, but I revert to them when I miss something. It probably sounds weird and difficult if youāre not used to it, but it is actually pure automatism and no effort. In fact, this mechanism is one of the main reasons why children often already understand and speak quite a bit of English before they start English classes in school.
@LadyOfTheCastle I dont really like about subs that I can read it so fast I read it faster then they talk, so sometimes I know what will come and it does not have that feel that it should have.
I am sub friendly on the other handā¦ this is how I saw Death Note all episodes. Original dubbing and Czech subs.
I went to see this yesterday with Mrs C plus Cameron & Adam.
We all really enjoyed it.
Iām fully aware of historical inaccuracies and fictionalised parts. Did it detract from the overall story being told and the sense of what happened? Not for me. I thought it was well done.
Cameron and Adam both came away impressed and saying they want to listen to much more of Bob Dylanās music. Thereās a win. Adam wants to listen to Johnny Cash and Joan Baez too. Nothing wrong there!
Dear all,
so finally I have been to cinema in Prague solo and watched the movie.
First big goosebump with ātearyā eyes was when he was reading letter from Johnny Cash and then there was cut how he stand on stage performing his song. I really enjoyed this movie and it pumped me with emotions and happinessā¦ I cant describe it enough. First thing I did when I came home, not taken clothes off, I just picked my guitar so I could play that Freight Train (I know not related song).
But it justā¦ filled me with thinksā¦ I really wanna learn and be able to play more.
Also I want to know more about that guy who could not talkā¦ and about that guy who played banjo. Sorry for not remembering names, there was so much.
On the other handā¦ I am gonna dig little more about his life, but Bob seemed little weird to me? Was he like that? Also I noticed like in movie āWalk The Lineā. Why something with woman always makes it harder on stage? Like is this some magic that all famous guys are into them, then it does not work and then it looks on stage like this? In movies for Johny and for Bob it seemed little similar. Please dont take this as some hate for women or mister Dylan and Cash. I am gonna dig more informations about them tomorrow.
@Carreta
Michal, I had moments when tears came to my eyes too.
My emotional attachment to the songs and their resonance with me and periods in my life.
The man in hospital was Woody Guthrie. He has quite a story. He wrote many songs that are now standards in the folk tradition. He suffered Huntingtonās Chorea.
It was Pete Seeger with the banjo. He too had a long and distinguished career and was forever at the of American folk and roots music.