New Helix (Helix Stadium)

Approx. a week ago, Line 6 announced new Helix. It sounds very promising, it looks like they have been working very hard for years (without leak) on a new platform that will address users’ concerns and add more bells and whistles - one of them being full automation of all controls (tone, levels, fx…) based on timestamps of a loaded backing track - very cool.

They didn’t have a sound demo, but I am sure early Sep when they start selling, there will be huge amount of YT reviews - very interested in seeing these.

What do you think?

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Will catch the vid later.

With my home setting the POD Go gives me all I need but maybe this would be something @Kasper may consider upgrading to as a current Helix user.

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I watched the live stream that introduced it.
Some nice features that I would use. I’d love to have one. HOWEVER, the cost is double what I paid for the Helix LT I have now. The features are not worth that. Too bad, too. From the point of view of an engineer, I think the modeling changes sound really interesting and it is fun to have such a toy just for the professional interest.

I think they need to start from flagship models, but it makes sense for them to introduce slimmed down versions soon to capture that part of market. They did that with number of version of old Helix, I am sure that will follow. Yes, the modelling details sound interesting, I am looking forward to seeing proper independent reviews.

One item I gathered from the livestream was that they do not have a lot of models ready for it yet. That makes it look better for waiting as well. The models I use in my Helix are generally some of the latest ones. They seem to sound a bit more full than the older ones.

I hope third party reviews are thorough. So many of them are superficial and jump onto the hype train rather than actually listen and comment on what the reviewer truly knows. We’ll see if we can find a good couple of reviews.

16 amps should be enough for any type of tone. I know that modellers could have 100s different ones, but that might be counter productive to me. I wouldn’t be able to properly explore all of that. One hour only with each is huge amount of time spent on tech - I would rather play guitar. I have 15 amps in my Yamaha THR30II, I use 4. I also use 3 different cab sims. I found what I like for clean, crunch, hi gain + few effects here and there and that is it.

There will be many reviews which are pretty much paid by Line 6 (sending the unit). But there are always good independent ones to find.

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I’d say that even 16 ams are too much for me. A couple of clean amps, a couple of mild crunchy ones, a couple of full on overdriven and a couple of distorted ones and that’s all I’d ever use. Or, even more likely, stick to just one clean, one crunchy and one distorted models.

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I think I’m behind the times!
I watched the video and barely understood what he was saying.

I suppose this is the way of the future. Many folks will understand this. + really enjoy everything it will do.

But man, I’m just gonna have to stick with a on/off switch with a volume, bass, and treble knob for my tone.

That is astonishing technology! That I don’t understand! Worse yet, I don’t think I want to understand… I think perhaps I’m a stick in the mud… Stuck in my ways. Which is likely not a good attitude to have. But it is where I’m at. My feelings about this are probably in the minority.

Tech just seems to overwhelm me. I just wanna play a guitar.

Think I’ll pick up my acoustic. That, I kinda understand. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the heads up as to the wave of the future Boris. It really does amaze me where this is all going. I just don’t think I’m gonna be a part of it.

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I get it completely Jim, it is not for everyone. But I think you might change your view if you are forced to carry your amp and pedals up/down stairs on a regular basis. :slightly_smiling_face:

It is interesting that, compared to analogue amps, price, simplification and convenience are the main drivers for people to use this. This is 3.5kg small board compared to 15kg+ bulky analogue amps. You bring this and plug into a venue PA system and have number of amps and pedals available and no back pain. You also have your presets where by push of a button you change the whole rigs. Sound wise, even few years back tech was so good that in a blind tests it was very difficult to tell the real amp from simulation. Even if you never bring this thing out of your house, you get number of amps/pedals for the price of one good analogue amp.

There are number of other functionalities that can make this look very complex, but the above is the essence of what the amp/fx sims are intended for.

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You’re definitely not alone here, Jim. I only own digital gear and I barely use even a fraction of what it offers. It’s great to have options in case I might need a reverse delay or 3 different phasers, but most of the time I stick with a few presets that sound good and cover 80-90% of everything I usually play and barely touch any settings. That’s what I love about acoustic guitars, that there’s nothing in between and you’re responsible for all the sounds and the tone.

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I’ve started reading about these kinds of multi-effects pedal systems.

Just looking at them, I can see several uses RIGHT NOW for some of them.

It would allow my wife and I to sell off some of our gear (that takes up space) because one of these would replicate a number of functions. She’d be able to practice with a mic without needing as much dedicated gear.

Certainly would give me enough options to play with that I’d be able to find the sounds I want on the gear I have, without needing to buy more stuff. And I could experiment, again, without needing to buy more stuff.

My wife is starting to get into live performance so she’d even be able to use something like this in that kind of context as she grows.

One thing that caught my eye was that it lets you load recorded songs onto it and can mix you INTO the track (and also save a ton of settings and automations for when you play it again later)? That looks like a pretty killer home practice function.

Yes, caught my eye as well. That is what I mention in the beginning. It lets you load a recorded song (i.e. original song). It will then split the song into tracks (like Moises) and you can suppress the track(s) you don’t want (rhythm/lead guitar). Then you can proceed to program the tones of your guitar (or guitars/bass/vocals in band settings) relative to the timestamps. For example, at 21.23sec the guitar changes from clean to distorted; it goes back to clean at 42.1, etc… Levels of instruments/vocals ara adjusted as needed, etc… It is as if you are in concert and have automation/technician at the back making sure to hit the proper buttons at the right moment. You can just get into the grove and forget about tech things. Really cool! :slightly_smiling_face:

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I did see the announce a few days ago, and it caught me a little bit by surprise :wink:

Timing wise, I had actually just sold my trusty Helix a few months ago since I’ve switched to the Fractal Audio universe (using their FM9 for live). I really, really love(d) my Helix for live use, and the tones and effects are great - but the routing options were getting too limited compared to newer tech, and the Fractal is particularly flexible in that regard.

Whether I would have jumped on this new Helix or not, who knows - but there is always something new coming out and I’m very happy with the FM9 right now.

At the same time I also (reluctantly) phased out the use of a real amp head + cab for live use, and is now relying a lot on going straight to FoH and in-ear monitors. Also have some small and light (which is nice) FRFR cabs on stage for a bit of volume, which is super important for interaction with the guitar pickups during play.

I did feel I lost a little bit of “oomph” when switching away from the real amp - but it’s sooo much more compact, and sooo much easier to control volume. So our band sounds a lot better, and vocals cuts through a lot clearer, with the new digital setup. Have to say, I agree this is the future and the way to go for smaller live gigs…

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I think an important realization to do when using modelers and similar digital gear is that it’s totally ok to not use every feature! If there is just one amp, one delay block, one reverb etc that you like in a particular unit, then it’s still serving its purpose. And you’ll probably still enjoy being able to set up a few presets to easily switch between your favorite clean, crunch and solo tones…

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From looking over the video, the most useful feature I saw for beginners or people who does not enjoy digging deep into tweaking tones is that option to drag a cursor over the image of whatever block - amp, effect etc - to quickly and easily blend between 4 presets. It’s a kind of one-knob control for everything the unit has to offer. If done right, this will be a game changer for easy and quick workflows in setting up cool tones.

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Routing as in hardware inputs/outputs, or you are talking about something else. What is the example of this?

Both signal routing within the patch and hardware I/O, actually. Let me try to explain without letting it spiral into too much detail. :slightly_smiling_face:

The main issue I had with the Helix was that I always want to run delay and reverb in parallel. To me, that gives a much clearer tone—compared to delay feeding into reverb, where each delay repeat ends up with its own reverb tail (which I don’t want). I also wanted to split the signal so one output would go to FoH with an IR applied, and another would go to my real tube head and cab—so without an IR.

Signal routing on the Helix is a bit limited. You essentially get two processors, each of which can be split once into an A and B path. The delay and reverb blocks I wanted to run in parallel were late in the signal chain, so they had to live on processor 2. That meant I had to use the split there, which left me no way to also split at the very end for IR vs non-IR outputs. To work around that, I added a send block at the end, which fed into an external IR loader (Two Notes CABM+). It worked, but it meant more gear, more wiring, and a setup that was harder to tweak.

On top of that, when using in-ears, you often want some extra effects only in your monitors—not going to FoH or any cabs. That wasn’t possible with the Helix at all, so I had to use a small mixer and an external reverb pedal just for that. It all got a bit too complicated.

Here’s a picture of the Helix-based board with my main patch loaded. If you zoom in, you’ll see how processor 2 is split to run delay in parallel with reverb. And because of the extra hardware, I had to mount the already heavy Helix on a pedalboard—so yeah, it was a bit bulky. But it did sound great!

With the Fractal gear, you get complete freedom in signal routing—you can split and merge signals as much as you like within a grid layout. One of the really cool things is that I can receive the band’s monitor mix as “Input 3,” and then blend in as much of my own guitar signal as I want. I can even apply EQ and effects separately to both the band mix and my own signal, just for my in-ears.

In my current setup, “Out1” goes to my on-stage cabs, “Out2” is sent to FoH, and “Out3” is my personal in-ear mix.

This is what I use now when I need to stay really compact and low-volume (though if space and volume allow, I’ll sometimes bring two of the small FRFR cabs).

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Yes, that looks pretty cool. Also Hype setting sounds interesting. But I don’t think it’s a unit aimed at beginners and the price clearly shows that.

True, but if/when a cheaper unit is released - like the new PodGo - it’ll probably contain some of the same ideas for tweaking tones. Might be a few years until that happens of course…

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And if it come via a free firmware upgrade even better :rofl:

I can only dream but the POD give me plenty of options. And as you said above, I am now finally getting a go to set of “pedals” and tend to stay with those. Amp and cab wise still experimenting but with the Blues Presets I created for BLIM, it tended to be the Vox AC30, Messa Boogie Lone Star or the Marshal JTM 45. And there’s now 110 amp post the last firmware upgrade !

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