Drew, that song is full to bursting with non-diatonic chords.
Your analysis and naming is good. I don’t think there is a D7 in it. The F would be bVII rather than VII b.
The chorus is fully diatonic - apart from that single bar of F.
The verse is wildly non-diatonic.
And there is not a single minor chord anywhere to be found.
I hope that helps.
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Hi Tomislav. Good question. There are two approaches to using Roman numerals with diatonic and non-diatonic chords.
Justin uses all upper case Roman numerals and abbreviations (Maj for major etc.).
A different way is to use upper case for any major (including dominant) and lower case for any minor or diminished.
Let us suppose that the chord built on the root note Eb in the example you give was Eb minor. It could be written as:
bV min (keeping the V part as upper case and writing min after to indicate the type of chord) …
or
bV or bv (using lower case to indicate that it is minor therefore not requiring the abbreviation min).
My preference is upper and lower case.
Justin uses all upper case with the qualifiers written after the numeric value.
It is good to be aware of both conventions.
I hope that helps.
Cheers
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i don’t understand how if an F is in the key of G how is it not a VII major? i don’t understand where the flat comes from in the questions on the learn more section
The note F is not the Key of G it is F#. The VII chord in a diatonic chord sequence is always a diminished chord.
If you flatten the F# it becomes and F all this is in the earlier lessons on chord construction.
I think I’m missing something simple here. Why is E in the Key of G a VI major? Shouldn’t it just be chord VI just based on the major, min, min, major, major, min, dim formula?
If it was “just” the VI chord, it would be Em. But since this is E major, it has to be labelled as VI major.
Ok so any chord that is unlabeled is considered a major? Like there is no Emaj label? I’m sure that was early on somewhere and I glossed over it. Based on the formula we were using in this lesson I would have just translated an E to be Emin based on that.
That is correct. There are some conventional labels like that, e.g. if a chord is marked as “7” as in Gb7, it means it’s a dominant 7th chord, and not a major 7th or a minor 7th (these would be marked Gbmaj7 and Gbmin7, respectively).
This lesson is on Non Diatonic chords. In the key of G, E is a Em chord so EM is a non diatonic chord.
Hi everyone, I have a question about the little test, specifically number 7: Shouldn’t the correct answer be ‘bV’ - instead of ‘bV Maj’, as indicated? The chord is major by default.
If considering non-diatonic chords, you cannot assume a default quality such as major or minor. Diatonic chords have a fixed quality according to maj-min-min-maj-maj-min-dim. But non-diatonic chords can be anything. Therefore the naming needs to be explicit.
Yes, there is the convention that a chord named Eb can be assumed to be the chord Eb major. But Justin does say in the lesson that it is good to be as clear and precise as you can be when describing non-diatonic chords. Go the route of maximum, not minimum, information.
Oh, I see. Thank you for the clarification. And yes, Justin said that in the video. I must have forgotten
just notoced I shall write betrer my scales, I can not even read myself
And noted too, that even a V is a major in a scale, a non diatonic b or # must be written completely, the example is Eb in the key of A, it is indeed bVMaj (I put bV)
It helps a lot, still quite complex. THX Richard.
This is what I learned today…
I feel liberated from having to describe anything in a specific key!