If it corresponds to drum track, I think your whole setup works and it is only a Zoom issue that it does not come out of speakers. Did you try connecting to the same zoom call from another device to check if others are hearing it?
Just jumping in here as this topic definitely interests me too
If I am understanding correctly, Toby’s issue is that what you have stated above Serhat, i.e. what’s being played (with effects added via Reaper) and the Reaper drum track are not being heard back by Toby, despite it being sent to Zoom (hence Zoom showing an input level but Toby not hearing it).
Do I have that right, Toby?
What Zoom’s getting could be quickly checked by using the test mic option to record what’s being input (although picking you’ve probably already done that )
If so, then that corresponds with my question when I read through your guide, Serhat. Do you hear what is being processed and played within Ableton? If I am following the chain correctly it appears to be as follows:
Guitar/mic → USB Audio Interface (AI)
AI → Ableton (monitoring on)
Ableton mixes guitar+effects/mic+effects/backing track → VB-Audio virtual cable
Virtual cable → Zoom mic input
Zoom mic input → out to other Zoom attendees
Zoom speaker out → AI
AI → headphones/speakers
However, there doesn’t appear to be a step in the chain that sends what is coming from Ableton back to the AI as Zoom’s speaker output doesn’t include what it receives as an input (unless you are testing the mic and it’s delayed then anyway).
So, perhaps Ableton sends audio to two separate outs? i.e back to the AI and the Virtual cable simultaneously?
Or do you have the Voicemeeter Banana virtual mixer included in the chain (but not noted), that’s taking the virtual cable and outputting that to both Zoom and the AI?
I hope this makes sense and sincere apologies if I have missed something obvious here! (as most likely I have!! )
If you manage to figure it out Serhat that would be quite handy for me actually! As at the moment I struggle with Reaper->OBS->Zoom, for some reason during my last performance audio quality was awful! However I am still yet to test @jkahn advice about changing power mode on my laptop, which btw JK while plugged in turns out I was on battery saving mode all the time! Very bizarre, wonder if that will solve my issue?
@adi_mrok I almost got it to work! For some reason, Zoom is not picking up midi tracks from Ableton but it is picking up everything else while I can monitor myself from the speakers. I’ll have to look at midi later.
I’ll update the guidelines later when I’m confident with everything but for now, here is how:
On Asio, choose both the USB out (for monitoring) and the virtual cable (to send to zoom) as outputs:
Some time ago I spent quite a while trying to figure out how to route sound to two outputs in Ableton (i.e. a virtual ASIO device AND real ASIO device) and I don’t think you can. Unless you use something like voicemeeter like @nzmetal mentioned. I got voicemeeter working with amp sims (Amplitube, with a rocksmith cable) before getting my Focusrite and honestly I just hated it, it’s quite complicated and felt brittle. I was trying to avoid OBS and voicemeeter felt worse.
So no monitoring with this setup. To me, monitoring with effectively zero latency is essential. I use a bit of reverb on my voice because my singing sucks. Except last OM, where I configured an automatic double tracker instead of reverb.
I think Serhat’s method here works fine for connecting acoustic & mic through to Zoom via Ableton or another DAW. But… why not connect the Focusrite up to Zoom directly in that case? I guess if you want to use a DAW and set your levels / etc there, or apply reverb and don’t need to hear it.
Adrian, battery saving mode would TOTALLY tank your audio quality! If that was on, don’t bother with the detailed tweaks I sent you - just try it without battery saver on.
BTW - last OM, In Bloom - backing track was in Ableton, minor effects set in there, via OBS. Audio quality seemed OK? So with the right setup you can definitely do backing tracks without lag and with decent quality.
That will do it !! But in a live meeting you may get an echo if you can hear the actual Zoom audio. That screwed me up a few times even using AI ->DAW->OBS->Zoom. So bad in fact I just could not play. I got round that by declaring the PC speakers for Zoom audio out and monitored the DAW output via headphone connected to the AI.
Switching around “speaker” sources during the show was a complere pita, hence I gave up trying to use Reaper.
As for Voicemeeter/Banana eek, horrible latency when I tried that to cut out OBS.
If its more about using the DAW to check levels and not to apply FX, folks are maybe better off going this route.
@Rossco01 I’m interested in the idea of using a mixer. My cheap-chinese-focusrite-knockoff AI is fine for recording voice & acoustic from a single mic, but throw an electric guitar in the mix and it doesn’t want to know, so I foresee an upgrade in the near future; my question is, can you record electric guitar by plugging your amp into the mixer (using the line out/phones jack on the amp ) without anything blowing up? I’d find that really helpful as I can’t be doing with faffing around with VST plugins!
Yes no chance of blowing anything up. You
Might need an adapter if the mixer only has a 1/4 input but that is all. Obviously if you are taking the feed from the headphone Jack it’ll be using a cab sim in the amp but if you’re happy with the sound that’s fine. On a mixer you control the “strength” of the input using a gain control for each channel.