Please help with rhythm / strumming for the song 'Smile' on the App. What is this in notation and signature for this?

Sorry Silvia ,i don’t think that is correct.

I think the answer to you questions is no in both instances. The 12/8 (6/4) and the 18/16

They are very different,

A time signature denotes the (standard notation) amount of notes allowed withing a barr.
6/8 = 6 1/8 notes will fill the time but if you change that to all triplets you will get more notes but the time remains the same.

you therefor then cannot add up all the notes like there are 18 16th and say it is 18 16 time because thats how many notes there are when you count them. play 3 but count (time) is still 2 for ALL triplets

The triplet allows an additional note to be played within the duration of that triplet, it does not increase the time.

The exact same applies to the 12/8 it’s not 12/8 its still 4/4 but with triplets.

@Richard_close2u
Hi Richard, can you double check me on this please to make sure I have this correct, I dont want to get this wrong lol, you will be able to explain this to @Silvia80 better than this , please :slight_smile:

R

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To me 4/4 and 12/8 are two different things that have one thing in common which is they both have 4 pulses in a bar.

You can call a 12/8 a ā€œ4/4 with tripletsā€, that is fine, but it is a Rhythm that exists on its own and is something different from a 4/4, it has a different feeling when you listen.

And 12/8 is different from a 6/4 as well, what changes is where you put the accents and this changes the feeling of it, I guess.

It’s not to be given for granted though that I’m always able to feel and recognise it.

With Memory by B. Streisand for example I thought it was in 6/8 and fingerpicked it in 6/8…but listen and re listen again and again, I felt it hadn’t the peculiar 6/8 feeling!! and in fact I found out it is in 12/8!

Now Richard @Richard_close2u we much need the help of a Music Teacher here (:pray:…magic word…please :blush:)
…and since I’m not, please Rachel take all my statements with a pinch of salt…we’re just trying to make sense and understand and learn.

I’m not able to say much about an ipothetic 18/16 Lol :exploding_head::joy:

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I think this where the thing of keeping the arm moving helps. Initially I do need to count patterns like this but once my arm has learned the pattern then the counting can fall away. My other approach is to hum the rhythm and my arm (usually) follows.

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From the song app - Smile - The Musopians

The count goes as below:

1 + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 + a 5 + a 6 + a
Is 1D, +U, aD , 2U so on?

If so it is not matching with the strum pattern given in the app.
Need some help to count and strum.

slow the tempo down and you will find the ryhthm. i cant do anything right now because its not even 4am here. But ill try and do a small clip later.

Also the ā€œ2ā€ displayed on the song is count 4 of the 6…for beginners to strum twice.

1_____2 App display
1 2 3 4 5 6…you count this

Thanks

R

The yellow arrows are the strum points and the direction.

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I think i just remembered something the the 1e& are all triplet (3 for 2), waking up now Ive had a cuppa lol.

Can you tell me for which count the hand moves down and for which count hand moves up to keep with the rhythm . Then next step I can hit the strings as required. This is where I need help.

Jump to last post with Richard.

R

Hi guys!

You’re on the right track. It’s 6:8 time with a shuffle/swing feel.
The up strums come just before beats 3 and 6

Move your arm down on every beat but don’t hit the strings on 2 and 5
When you string the bars together you should get…

a 6 1 (2) a 3 4 (5) a 6 1 (2) a 3 4….

Up Down Down — Up Down Down…

Nice rhythm!

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This will help a lot, Somehthing brought tom mind , better late than never :slight_smile:

R

Topics merged for ease.

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