Songs, strumming & bored

Thanks guys for the tips. I have tried to “compose” my own melodies by playing around on the fretboard, but that has yet too bear fruit. And although I would like to play with others, as a 75 yr young guy, those options are limited. I enjoyed a bit of that with my teacher, but at 60 bucks and hour, it was a little costly to sit and strum.

I find that most of these strumm-able songs are far from the music I grew up with so the song itself does not resonate with me…and how many times can I strum to "house of the rising sun? :wink:

I’ll keep at it and one day soon…I will get the aaaahhaaaa-moment.

thx

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Hi John,
I don’t quite see what I posted in your question, but maybe you can look here and find a direction that you like,I liked it very much and saw it before I started here :sunglasses:

so if not helpful at least you have something to watch during the rhythm guitar if you bored :grin:

Greetings ,Rogier

HI @JDR_allthumbs , I have found myself in your situation over the years, so let me tell you how I tried to address it.

My biggest limitation is that I don’t sing. I think if you sing, then basic strumming arrangements can be fine and the “performance” can be rewarding. If you don’t sing … not so much. Here are the different “solutions” I have found at various points in time (in order of difficulty).

  1. Find songs that have identifiable riffs, little lead parts, bass runs, etc. Melodic elements that make the song recognizable (which strumming-only songs usually are not). “Hey, Hey, My, My” by Neil Young is a good example of this. If you can learn to pick out the individual bass notes in the riff, it’s very, very satisfying. Justin’s song tutorials often teach these parts. Other songs that lend themselves well to this idea are: Ripple, Simple Man, Norwegian Wood, Wish You Were Here, Needle and the Damage Done and many others.

  2. I started some lead guitar stuff (Justin’s Lead Blues 1 module). Learning some scales, alternate picking, etc. helped a lot with point 1. above. It was also very cool in itself. I’m no accomplished blues player and I’ve gotten away from it a bit, but it was very fun and super useful. I also learned a few solos note-for-note: well just 2: Let it Be and Something. That’s very rewarding also (even though I don’t play them that well).

  3. Focus on fingerpicked acoustic pieces. A long while back, while taking group lessons I learned 2 fingerpicked songs: a simplified version of Freight Train and the Rev. Gary Davis song Candyman. Fairly recently I decided to concentrate on fingerstyle blues instrumentals and have managed to learn about a half dozen pieces and am working on more.

Note sure if any of these appeal to you or are even matched to your skill level, but they have been useful for me.

@JDR_allthumbs what you need is songs that grow with your skills. Here an example Justin start with simple down strums for beginners and then should two other harder versions. You can learn any song this way start simple and grow it as your skills develope. Take what you’ve learnt to figure out other songs.

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It sounds like you’re further on than I am, but once I got comfortable with the basic chords I started looking for songs that offered a bit more. I tend to agree that if all you do is cycle round a few chords then no one is going to recognise the song when you play it.

So in my case I’ve chosen songs that maybe combine a riff and some strumming. For example, if I play the The Joker by Steve Miller Band then I’m playing the riff through the verses and strumming open chords for the chorus. As I get better I sometimes revisit songs to embellish them further. When I pick new songs, I tend to look for something with a few different YouTube lessons and then mix and match from a number of them to get something that’s both fun and a little challenging

Maybe my approach is only a stepping stone but it does mean I’m learning songs and I haven’t got bored, in fact I’m enjoying playing more than ever

Hi John, good to hear from you again :smiley:
This post has a lot in common with the one you posted around the same time last year :thinking:
The good news is that you obviously have dedication/staying power.
Slightly more worrying is that if nothing changes, there may well come a point where you ask ‘why bother?’
I think the main thing is to reflect on what you really want to be able to do with your guitar.
If you’re not into singing, as others have pointed out, simple strumming is not going to cut it. Fingerstyle, picking out melodies, or lead lines over songs is probably the way to go.
You mentioned previously that you’d like to be able to pick up your guitar and improvise, or make your own music.
Have you thought about sitting down and trying to write your own music/song? It can be a daunting prospect or great fun, depending on how you approach it :smiley:

You mention $60 1-1 lessons in the past.
Not my cup of tea.
But in your shoes, I would seriously think of taking one- or maybe a couple- of online lessons with one of the Justinguitar approved teachers here in the Community. They’re intimately familiar with the course you are taking and would be in the best position to be able to help you explore where you’d like to go and how to best get there.
Think about it.
You can use my two cents as a downpayment :rofl:

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Thanks for the 2 cents Brian…well spent. At least in my post a year ago, my stumbling block (not strumming block) was about chord progressions. I have managed through…practice & practice to get past looking constantly at fretboard for finger/chord placement. So yes, I do have staying power.

Yes, I have considered local or online 1on1 lessons again, hoping they may help me over this hump. At least I’m realistic about learning a new task/hobby. I spent a few years learning woodworking and many projects that ending up as fire wood before mastering the tools and techniques.

Thanks again to all who have shared…John

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Yes, I forgot to mention that I also took a look at your Wordpress site. You have some lovely pieces. Unsurprisingly, it was the Les Paul the one that caught my eye. Are you happy with the way it plays?
The other thing that might be of use would be to do a simple video recording of the kind of thing you’re playing and share it in the Community.
We’re a non-judgmental, tolerant bunch, and you never know what kind of suggestions might come your way. The interactions alone can sometimes be motivation enough :smiley:

Well, as a woodworker too, you can appreciate developing the craft. Thanks for the comment on my wood projects, especially the LP style I made. It does play well…good tone and very comfortable, considering it was a “scrap” wood project…heck how difficult could it be to make a guitar :wink:

Since then I made another LP style. Used sapele for the base body (and top right horn), eucalyptus for the top and a roasted maple (bought) neck. This one is a little shorter and lighter. Plays very well too, using upgraded pickup and pots. Sure is easier to build a guitar than to learn to play. i guess I though with 2 guitars…I could learn twice as fast.

Just spent 30 minutes working through Justin’s rendition of Fix You by Coldplay. I am determined to stick it out and learn it…and play it…
Thx again.

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Hi John,

I could have written a very similar post to yours. Bored with just strumming (while knowing I should practice strumming more and become better but not being inspired to do so), not really a singer, practicing technique but not inspired, took some useless lessons. You’ve gotten some great replies already. Here’s what has helped me (insert here the usual “we’re all different” disclaimer :wink:):

  • I’ve been taking lessons from one of Justin’s approved teachers. For me, this has been a game-changer. Not only is he a good teacher; but because he knows Justin’s curriculum he understands what I’ve been exposed to, and can smooth my edges while building on what I’ve learned. He’s tossed me some songs that inspire and challenge me - and they include riffs along with strumming.

  • I’ve been enjoying learning songs using flat picking and finger style. I’m not proficient, but still I am playing music I didn’t expect to be able to approach this for a long time yet. It’s been fun! It has also highlighted some bad technique I had, and I worked with my teacher to address that.

  • We’ve had a summer break from lessons, and during that time I did two things. First - my elderly mom mentioned a song she loves. I wondered if Justin has a lesson on it. He does, and it’s at my level (beginning Grade 3)! I can’t play it at speed yet, but I can play it finger style. I’m visiting my mom next week and will play it for her - mistakes and all. Further: the lesson includes a more advanced strumming version. I’ve been working on that as well - it’s more difficult than the fingerpicked version! I feel inspired.

  • Second - this happened just last night - I revisited a repertoire song that I play strumming old faithful. Re-watching Justin’s lesson, he said it is a good song for finger style and suggested an easy pattern. I played it, and was delighted and surprised to find that I wanted to do a slightly different pattern for the chorus vs. the verse. AND I made one up (again, leveraging work I’ve been doing with my teacher - getting a theme here?). I know we’ve been encouraged to be creative in this manner, but I’d never before felt inspiration to explore.

One final observation: we’re encouraged both by Justin and by many in the community to forge our own paths. That’s a fabulous goal and I’m trying to do that. But really, my goal as an advancing beginner is to develop skills to become a well-rounded guitarist. Along that journey I’ll be able to identify my specific guitar goals, but I’m not there yet, and even if I were I wouldn’t know really how to approach those goals. For me, this admonition often adds to my frustration and feelings of incompetence - it’s one more thing I can’t do well. Having an excellent teacher (I think I’ve seen Justin’s approved teachers also referred to as “guides” - exactly what I need!) has removed that pressure.

None of this is a criticism of the rich resources that Justin provides. Maybe my challenges are a reflection of how I grew up learning. Maybe it’s just another example of “we’re all different”. Maybe one difference is the level of natural aptitude different students have. In any event, there are many paths to explore on this journey!

Sorry for writing a novel!

Finally - I’m jealous of your woodworking skills! I’m literally all thumbs when it comes to such things.

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Hey Judi,

Thanks for sharing your experiences…we all have different paths (and some similar) that have helped us in discovering our creating skills…whether it’s guitar playing to guitar building.
I too have explored variations and style in my guitar learning, such as finger-picking and even how classical players strum and play with the their fingertips…very cool.

I don’t aim to be a composer or song writer, but as you, and others, just want to be proficient enough to sit and pickup guitar and randomly make music (with no desire to play 1000’s of songs in a week). There is a very talented player and teacher on Youtube, Ian Stitch who shows, among other things, how to take 5-6 open chords and compose a melody and he does it so easily, you say “I can do that”…only to then say “how did he do that???”

Anyway…now I’m doing a novel. I’m sure your mom will cherish your playing and sharing the moment with her…a lasting memory for you both.

Have fun

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I guess we all “get” where you’re coming from and as others have suggested - try: different strum patterns, some back beat strumming, bass strums; plus chord melody; fingerpicking (that’s brilliant, I love it); and some Blues - there are several blues lessons on Justins pages and then you join the Blues Immersion course where improvisation is great fun. Don’t give up yet! There’s lots to learn. Any chance you could find a jam buddy? That takes what you learn to a new level. Good luck whatever you decide but just don’t give up!!

Hi John. It seems many people have been strumming in the doldrums. Lot’s of good advice. Here’s what I’ve done with some success.

  1. Take a song that you know how to strum and that can be played fingerstyle and try learning it that way, or incorporating elements of both. I’m currently doing that with John Prine’s Illegal Smile.
  2. Find a song that’s easy to strum and add some embellishments like sus chords or walkups and walkdowns. Check out Justin’s lesson on Sweet Virginia (in the Songs section) which is a fun one to learn.
  3. Try Justin’s Strumming SOS courses. Worth the investment in making your strumming more interesting.
    Keep your oar in the water - you’ll get into the fast current soon enough.
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I hit the same point in my progression about three months ago. I started learning walk ups and walk downs and some simple song intro and solo picking to add some flavor to the sometimes tedious strumming. I happen to like country music so I started with Ring of Fire and have been working up from there.

As others have said also explore more complicated strumming patterns and songs with different patterns for the verse and chorus. I personally haven’t ventured into finger picking yet as I wanted to solidify my chord changes but I feel I’m about ready for that to be my next progression. I happen to like country music so I started with Ring of Fire and have been working up from there.

I also found when things start to get boring I take a break from guitar for a week to ten days. I then find it refreshing how much I retained and it gives me renewed energy to move on to something more advanced. Good luck and don’t give up. I’ts truly a journey.

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Your “boredom” is actually a great sign, it means you’re ready to progress! Playing guitar is a lifelong “Stairway to Heaven,” every step you take up the ladder unlocks new steps. Its limitless, which can be sort of demotivating because there are so many directions you can go. It’s time to pick one!

One instructional songbook that really helped me was “From Liverpool to Abbey Road” (Hal Leonard, online backing tracks included). Yes, it starts with basic stuff you already know, but midway through it combines chords and melodies and they get progressively harder. It’s a great way to add interest to, very importantly, simple songs, and you already know them by heart. The point is that once you learn how to do this with simple songs in the book like, Yellow Submarine, House of the Rising Son, Yesterday, Knockin on Heaven’s Door, you can apply the chord melodies and add interest to almost any song.

Also, don’t underestimate Xmas carols in this regard – a simple song like Silent Night is a great way to learn how to spice up chord rhythms with melody notes. You can easily find an arrangement on the internet. And its great to learn how to play and sing.

Songs mentioned on this thread like Knockin’ on Heavens Door or House of the Rising Sun are developmental building blocks precisely because there are so many things you can do with it to add interest.

You can learn the arpeggio for House – which for me unlocked other songs like Wonderful Tonight or Hotel California (might use Capo on fret 7). The bonus is that once you learn to pick out the melody notes in a chord, you can easily use that to add interest for the listener (maybe that’s just you). And if you let yourself go, you will naturally start to add dynamics – vibrato, hammers on, pull offs, slides.

Maybe you’ve already done this, but one of the easiest “cheats” to add interest is to learn the “sus” versions of each of the basic chords. Try this on a D chord with a basic DD DUDU rhythm – on the DUDU just put your pinky down on string one 3rd fret. Oh, wow, what a difference.

No one told me this, but if I were starting with barre chords all over again, the first one I’d learn is Bm! It’s in so many songs!! Another poster suggested songs with simple lead parts. For me that was Wicked Game by Chris Issac – not only did it force me to learn Bm (if you’re not yet comfortable with barring all 6 strings, you can start with index finger on string 1, which itself is an epiphany), but it put my wife in the mood!

Once I learned Bm, I went to the Am jam version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps and now, oh wow, suddenly you’re learning a base line walk up. Those chord charts look scary at first but they’re actually pretty easy. You can jam with Tom Petty, Jeff Lynn and Prince! And another aha moment – playing those base lines really anchors your timing which, in turn, actually makes it easy to sing!

Singing is a great next step. I used a simple song like House to learn how to play and sing at the same time, which is so rewarding, and once it clicks, you’ll find it gets easier with other songs! Justin has great advice on this – slow it down, pick a song for which the lyrics are already etched into your head, and commit the chord progressions to subconsciousness (play it until you are sick of it). Learn to do two things at once – play the rhythm while talking to someone or watching tv.

The hard part is when the chord changes don’t line up with the lyrics/melody. The program Chordify is a great tool for this because it visually breaks the song into measures and beats; you can print out the diagram and manually write in the lyrics where they pick up within a measure. The Wish You Were Here verses are good for that, you probably already know the lyrics by heart, and as someone else suggested, playing the intro is a great stepping stone. You can always come back and learn the solo later.

You mentioned you know basic scales – that’s the key to heaven, pun intended. You can create your own simple solos or lead lines to spice up a song and interject them between verses. Improvisation is the big “aha” moment – yes, you can make the song your own – suddenly you’re really “feeling the song” and becoming a musician! The Animals version of House really unlocked this for me.

BTW, playing Tom Petty songs are great for all of the above – advancing your rhythm playing with fast mid-measure chord changes, pretty simple intros, lead parts you can work on over time, learning to sing and play, and they’re really entertaining to play for others.

Good luck and stick with it. Every step you take will unlock new things to learn on your journey to guitar heaven!

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Well @bruce2, that is quite an elaborate and useful answer to the original post. I have one question though. Was it Chris Isaak or your Bm barre chord that put your wife “in the mood?”

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Out of interest what is the song?

The Sound of Silence. I’m so happy to be learning this!

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Some good versions out there Judi.

I did a hybrid version of the old S&G and this

The end result ? Our Open Mic 14

As @CT frequently says, find your own voice and go your own way. :sunglasses:

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Toby

Super cover of a great song. Very enjoyable.

Brian

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