Tips for ADHD?

Hi,

I’ll try to keep it short since this might not be the place to ask about how to deal with ADHD but I was wondering if there are any teachers who had students, or people who play the guitar who struggle with ADHD have tips on how to overcome certain things about this disability?

I’ve picked up JustinGuitar so many times over the years and my interests change a lot and they change fast however it’s easily dwindled down to 3 things and playing the guitar is 1 of those things I always come back to. I really want to be able to play the guitar with all my heart but I struggle with discipline. Longest I’ve gone is 4 months of daily practice and routines until I had to send in my guitar for repairs and I never really picked it up again after I got the guitar back. But here I am, again, since the thought never leaves my mind. It’s this, drawing, and music in general that I constantly get obsessed about and fixate on.

Any people out there who struggle with ADHD and figured out some ways on how you managed yourself to learn the guitar and stick to it too? Thanks in advance!

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Hi Yannick,

The best tip I can give you for multiple reasons is actually what I would want to tell everyone:

start with lesson 1 and trust the learning process here at JustinGuitar. One small adjustment might be that you move a bit faster to the next lesson because boredom from repetition is killing (that applies to almost everyone, of course), but more often a bit it leads to people being ‘too busy’ to the point of literally ‘throwing your guitar in a corner’ and giving up.

Know where your strength lies and especially what you haven’t learned properly, and keep coming back to it in super small time blocks…and keep doing that as long as needed.

A little extra focus on learning scales can actually work in your favor, and there are a few other things too, but make sure to do things more or less in the right order because that way you’re least likely to give up… that chaos in your head needs to find some order here, because learning to play guitar well starts slowly, veeeery slowly, because that’s how you progress the fastest. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:

I hope this helps a little :crossed_fingers:

Greetings,Rogier

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Hi Yannick

I do not have ADHD but I have taught many students (not guitar but biology) who had ADHD. It is something difficult to deal with as a student and also as a teacher of those students. I can’t give specific advice for dealing with this issue as I am not an expert and not a guitar teacher. However, perhaps one thing may be to try and structure the learning so that every few days you have something new to learn, rather than just practicing over and over again the same things. Our minds always wander and it’s difficult for non- ADHD people to sometimes stick with practicing. You can always do it in a sort of circular way so after a few days with something new you come back to what you were learning previously so it doesn’t get monotonous.

However, on the forum there are definitely quite a few people who are long-time guitar players who declared that they have ADHD. Hopefully some of those people might be able to give some good advice.

Best, Ian

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I answer this as an ADHD guitar player. I don’t consider it a disability inasmuch as it’s just a different way of handling attention, focus, and thought, that’s actually advantageous in specific situations (which “modern” life has conveniently deprioritized…which is why it feels like a disability often enough).

I learned fairly recently that I had ADHD all my life and was really good at masking to the point that nobody ever suspected anything. UNTIL major medical stuff changed all of that and brought the underlying ADHD/possible AuDHD to the fore).

My first question to you us what steps you have used to manage your ADHD in context of your guitar playing?

I first tried to learn guitar 25-ish years ago. I tried out of a book on my own. That method didn’t work. I got my first instructor about 20yrs ago and having that external accountability helped me keep playing regularly. However, I had an interruption in my practice and I allowed not practicing to become habit for too long.

Getting medication ended up being the biggest help for me. I pursued that for other reasons, ultimately, but I’m not unhappy that it helped me practice more regularly with less external accountability. Still, the external accountability of hiring a guitar teacher for awhile helped. I currently am not working with an in-person instructor so I have less external accountability. But I’m still able to practice.

That practice is still a little irregular. With something I do for fun I don’t want to suck the fun out of it by over-scheduling it. I use calendars and automated reminders a LOT to manage other stuff and I really don’t want to do that to music/guitar. But I do make an effort to pick up an instrument every couple/few days. I do get a little external accountability through friends so that helps, too. Those friends don’t all play guitar, but they do play music. So getting together to play (either just a couple people on the porch or attending group jams, attending a workshop, performing at an open mic) and checking in with friends regarding practice progress and doing music stuff together helps. Making sure that instruments are prominently placed at home so it’s easy to grab one and play helps a lot.

The same thing applies to how I handle practice itself. Overly structured practice sucks the fun out for me. I need to spend the vast bulk of my time playing songs. Oftentimes that’s all I do. And that’s perfectly okay because I’m enjoying it. When I sit down and work on something, it’s in service to a specific song. And I will hyperfocus on that thing during a session, too. Task switching is difficult so I really don’t like spending 5 min here, 10min there, etc. I’d rather work on this one thing for my practice session.

One way to address the repair scenario you described without interrupting your practice is to have more than one guitar. That way you always have something available to play if one of your instruments is unavailable. It can also help your practice if those instruments are different from each other. An acoustic and an electric. Or an acoustic and a resonator. A 6 string and a 12 string. Acoustics in different tunings. Different enough that you play them differently, using different skills, playing different songs (or different parts of songs) so that you have some incentive to switch it up occasionally just because. Can help stimulate “novelty” feelings.

These are all things that have helped me in one way or another. Not saying they’ll help you for sure since everybody’s different, but if you haven’t tried something, it might be worth a look.

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Never had a diagnosis but I check many (enough,) boxes on the checklist.

I read 'daily routines"
I hear no goals, no strategy, no tactics hung up on that strategy, to realistic building of layers of skill and knowledge.

One does not motivate his/herself by just playing daily and not having something to work to, with certain focus areas and topics that “help eachother”.

I learned my guitar from Justin’s video and now I do Live Clubs here about achieving goals, learnign and memorzing songs, writing songs etc. I think I can carefully say I found a way around it. :wink:
I also coach students towards their goals (starting a band, getting on stage, learning to express themselves, etc)

You name sounds flemish or at least Belgian.
mail me at lieven@justinguitar.com and we’ll arrange a brief but completely free call. It will be easier than typing it out here :wink:

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Use justins practice assistant set up a practice and make it short. Do it right away at the begining of practice as soon as you start and get it done. If you make that short enough that its not intimidating and you feel like you can manage it each day. If you need to break that into and 2 day section thats cool too. I call them my “Dailys”

Then once done, you do what you want as far doing extra practice work in one technique or another. Thats when I let the ADHD brain take over more.

My ADHD demon will destroy me from actually learning anything tangable and skill based if I don’t harness myself somehow. The only way I can do that is with some type of regular practice scedual, even that minimum gets me on the guitar and some technical stuff working I usually find my self going back to things. As long as I build my practice assistant the way I want, keep each task short, 3 minutes or under. I can work my “dailys” everyday in around 30 to 40 mins. That leaves me a ton of time to get my creative juices flowing or lets me go back for reiview of things I fell weaker on. Any direction I want. One thing you can really focus on when building your practice is the order. I kmow my ADHD triggers so I habe to make sure I insert something fun right after something tough. 6 mins of hard and then I gift my self with 3 mins of easier skill work. Small thinks like that refresh me throughout my “Dailys”

I have always looked at my ADHD as a super power. We have something others dont. Recognize that, how it works and how its unique is the key. Learn your triggers and how to use them and build your practice assistent to avoid that.

Overall this lets me do these practices repetitively. There is more too it obviously, like managing the practice lists and stuff but yeah have fun and really play what you love amd keep that stoke up.

Good luck

:victory_hand:t2::love_you_gesture:t2::sign_of_the_horns:t2:

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Hi Yannick,

I know this is an older post, but I just came across it and really related to a lot of what you wrote.

I was officially diagnosed with ADHD late last year at 47 years old, after going through the process of autism diagnoses with my daughters. While I’m only formally diagnosed with ADHD, I suspect I may actually be AuDHD.

That being said, none of that makes me an expert :sweat_smile: I can only share some patterns I’ve noticed in myself and what has and hasn’t worked for me.

There are already some great replies here, including from other ADHD players, and you’ll probably notice both similarities and some major differences with what I’m about to say. I think that’s important. ADHD or not, we’re all different in our mental makeup, experiences and preferences, so take whatever is useful to you and happily leave the rest :folded_hands:t4:

Some of what I’m going to say might also sound a little paradoxical. I’ve gradually learned that something that works extremely well for me in one part of my life can be completely counterproductive in another. A lot depends on context, time and energy.

I’m 48 now, with a family, a full-time corporate job and plenty of responsibilities. The energy I have available at the end of a long working day is very different from what I might have had when I was younger with fewer responsibilities. That’s not to say learning guitar is easy for someone younger either, learning any instrument takes time and effort, but I’ve learned that I have to take into account not only what I want to accomplish, but how much mental and physical energy I actually have available when I sit down to do it.

Structure - but not too much structure

One of the biggest things I learned was that I need structure, but not too much structure. And like you, I’ve struggled with discipline.

What I’ve gradually discovered, though, is that trying to make myself more disciplined with guitar often has the opposite effect.

I’m actually extremely organized and systematic in my work life. I’m an IT manager, so calendars, task lists, project management tools, reminders, goals, measurements, KPIs… that’s basically my entire working day :sweat_smile: A large part of my life already requires discipline and constantly managing things that need to get done.

So when I tried applying those same systems to guitar, it started making something I wanted to do feel like another thing I had to do. I don’t want my hobby reminding me about everything I haven’t achieved yet.

What has worked much better for me is lowering the bar enough that I don’t need much discipline to get started, while still keeping a very loose framework around my practice.

A typical practice might contain:

  • something I know I need but don’t particularly enjoy, kept very short, maybe five minutes or even one or two;
  • something I genuinely want to develop, even though it requires effort and repetition;
  • and something that’s there purely because I enjoy playing it.

Wherever possible, I connect those things to actual music.

Right now, for example, I’m relearning Sweet Home Chicago. I can work on rhythm using the song, spend a little time learning part of the solo, and then finish by simply playing or improvising over something I enjoy.

But here’s the important bit for me:

I’m allowed to throw the entire framework out the window :joy:

If I’ve had a long day and don’t have the mental energy for concentrated practice, I might just improvise over a backing track. Some nights I’ve literally picked up the guitar while half asleep, played over one two- or three-minute backing track and called it a night.

Other nights I play for two hours and have to remind myself that I really should go to bed :sweat_smile: Most nights naturally fall somewhere around 30–60 minutes.

I think lowering the bar has probably been one of the most useful things I’ve done.

When I started guitar three years ago, I wasn’t practicing an hour or two every day. Sometimes ten minutes was plenty, especially when my fingers hurt. The important thing was simply making picking up the guitar a normal part of my life. Eventually the longer sessions happened by themselves.

Showing up rather than measuring up

That’s also why I’ve stopped relying very much on motivation or trying to constantly discipline myself into practicing.

I learned this partly through Jiu-Jitsu, which I’ve now trained for five years. I have certain days when I train. I don’t wait until I’m motivated to go. I just go.

But I don’t mean that in the “just do it!” sense. I actually hate that kind of advice :joy:

The important change for me was changing what the goal was.

Instead of my goal being get better at Jiu-Jitsu, perform well tonight, or learn X number of techniques, the initial goal became simply:

Show up.

Go to training.

And with guitar:

Pick up the guitar.

That’s enough.

Some days I’m switched on at Jiu-Jitsu and have a great session; other days I can barely drag myself through class. Both count, because I showed up. The same applies to guitar. Some nights I might accomplish something I’m really proud of. Other nights I play for three minutes while practically falling asleep.

Both count.

Once showing up becomes a habit, then I can start putting a little more structure around it.

That’s an important distinction for me because I see a lot of advice about setting goals, measuring progress, tracking practice and comparing where you are now with where you were a month ago. None of that is necessarily bad advice. I actually do some of it now.

But personally, I find it counterproductive when I’m still at the stage of trying to establish the habit itself.

I spend all day measuring things at work. I don’t want my last hour of the evening to have KPIs too :joy:

After a few years of music becoming part of my life, I can now measure certain things without it feeling oppressive because the habit already exists underneath the measurement.

Guitar has gradually become something I normally do in the evening because that’s simply part of my life now. But I deliberately give myself permission to have a day off whenever I need it. It’s not even a scheduled rest day. If I’m exhausted on Wednesday, Wednesday can be it. Other times, I can practice daily for weeks without taking a single day off.

Strangely, knowing that I don’t have to practice makes it easier for me to practice.

Learning to stop fighting myself

The other big thing I’ve had to work on is how judgmental I can be towards myself:

Why can’t I stick with one thing? Why did I stop playing blues? Why am I playing alt-rock now? Why did I suddenly spend eight months playing bass? Why can’t I finish this song before getting interested in another one?

Eventually I started realizing that maybe constantly fighting the way my brain naturally learns wasn’t actually helping me learn.

Ian (@Prof_Thunder) mentioned learning in a circular way earlier in this thread, and that really clicked with me. He described periodically introducing something new and later circling back to what you’d previously been learning so it doesn’t become monotonous.

I think of my own learning as more of a spiral.

I might become fascinated with a song and hyperfocus on it for weeks or months. Eventually I reach a point where I’m bored with it or even starting to resent it. Instead of forcing myself through that because I think I’m supposed to finish it, I’ve learned that sometimes it’s okay to park it.

I’ll go play something else. Maybe even switch instruments.

Then a few months later I circle back, except I’m not actually returning to the same place. I’ve learned other things in the meantime, and suddenly I hear or play things I couldn’t before.

Guitar helped my bass playing. Bass changed the way I hear rhythm and groove on guitar. Jiu-Jitsu taught me things about practice and repetition that changed how I approach music. Things seem to build on each other even when they don’t look related at the time.

That has probably been one of the biggest changes for me: learning to work with the way I learn instead of constantly judging myself for not learning the way I think I’m supposed to.

The same applies to teachers. If I’m given a song that just doesn’t connect with me, I’ll give it an honest try. But if I’ve spent a week fighting myself every time I sit down to practice it, I’ll tell my teacher. I’ll ask whether we can find a song I actually enjoy that teaches the same musical idea.

Thankfully I’ve had teachers who were willing to work with me that way, and it made an enormous difference :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

So if I had to boil down what has helped me…

  • Lower the bar.
  • Keep some structure, but keep it loose.
  • Build the habit of showing up rather than waiting for or trying to force motivation.
  • Connect practice to music you genuinely enjoy.
  • Give yourself permission to have low-energy days.
  • And don’t automatically assume that wandering away from something means you’ve failed at it.

You said something in your original post that actually stood out to me: guitar is one of those things you always come back to.

Maybe there’s something worth noticing in that :wink:

Maybe sticking with something doesn’t always look like never wandering away.

Sometimes it looks like continuing to come back :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

I wrote a reflection a while ago when I was exploring and trying to understand how I learn, which is where I started thinking about this idea of learning in spirals. It isn’t specifically about ADHD or learning music, although I hint at the first and do talk about the second. If any of this sounds interesting to you, you might find something useful in it:

The Spiral Path — Embers & Tides

Anyway, I hope at least some of that makes sense and is useful. These are just patterns I’ve noticed in myself, and they change depending on my energy, stress and what’s happening elsewhere in my life.

So as I said at the beginning: take whatever works for you and leave whatever doesn’t. :blush: :folded_hands:t4:

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so much of this resonates with my own experience.

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Thanks Nate! :folded_hands:

A lot of what you shared in your earlier post reflected my own experiences as well. It’s really interesting seeing both the similarities and differences in what works for each of us, and learning to work with how we each learn rather than against it :folded_hands:t4:

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Thats good stuff Firad.

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Thanks Jason :blush:
You shared some great tips and advice yourself :+1:

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Hah, now I remember in which thread I wanted to reply something, didn’t have the proper time at that moment and then forgot about it… :roll_eyes:

Hi Yannick,

there are already a lot of great contributions and helpful insights from multiple angles. A lot of the things Firas @firasR wrote, resonate completely with me. That was a great read, Firas! A lot of food for thought in it. Thank you for sharing that. :slight_smile:

I was diagnosed with AuDHD less than a year ago, so I am still calibrating a lot of things on my end and looking for solutions that will work in the long run. As a lot of you shared before, I also have had the tendency of “hobby hopping”. But there were a few things I always came/come back to. One of which is making music/playing guitar.

When it comes to sticking to it, I think playing guitar was also the most successful of my hobbies, though. That means, I did it consistently for the longest periods (piano lessons, too), but on the other hand, had also the longest breaks on it. Given what I know now, I assume that depression probably played part in that, but that’s another story.

While my autistic brain craves for routines and predictability, my ADHD brain really wants the opposite. I’m still trying to find the sweet spot between those, but see myself thinking along Firas’ lines here. All I can say is, when I set my routines bigger than 40 minutes with defined tasks, guitar practice starts feeling like a chore. Having not that much time on my hands, I cannot noodle around aimlessly either, so I definitely need set tasks, but also some fun parts. A two thirds practice items one third fun approach seems to come close to the sweet spot for now.

A different thing is resource management with regards to my energy levels. When I know I hard day at work is coming up and I will likely be too tired to play in the evening, I try to cramp in 5 to 10 minutes in a work break spending on some fun guitar stuff. This also eases my mind sometimes. That’s why I have a guitar next to my desk in my office at home. :slight_smile:

Another thing I try to establish for me is letting go as I definitely have perfectionism issues that severely hindered my forthcoming in several ways. Putting off the pressure definitely helps to play more often and finally finding back the joy that playing guitar brought me initially. :slight_smile:

But there is still a lot left for me to learn about me and how I work best, though. Hope you found some bits helpful.

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You’re very welcome Lisa! :blush:

I loved reading your thoughts and experiences as well. I also completely feel that struggle between my ADHD craving novelty and freedom and my autistic side needing structure and routine. Sometimes it really does feel like two sides of me pulling in opposite directions :sweat_smile:

I really like how you put it too, that you’re still figuring out what works for you in the long run. I think we’re all still learning how we learn :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: :folded_hands:t4:

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