A bit stuck/overwhelmed with progression, and how do I "learn songs"?

Jeff…

Let’s TRY to keep things “G Rated” here please…

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For sure! I think Justin does a WAY better job teaching (IMO)!

This :point_up_2: sums it up… having FUN & feeling happy with your playing is what it’s all about, at least for us amateurs.

Tod

I was in the same situation when I started. Justin’s course is great because it’s so full of information but that can be overwhelming in the beginning. I Pulled back on learning finger picking and theory to concentrate solely on chord changes and learning songs. I started with my two best chord changes, G to D and learned songs with those two chords. Then I added E then A along with songs that had three then 4 chords. As my confidence grew I felt a renewed vigor in learning. Also don’t limit yourself to just this course, there are plenty of you tube teachers that just teach songs and sometimes a different voice can help a lot. Find one that supplement this course and fits your needs. Remember it is a journey, if it was easy everyone would play guitar.

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Phewww, thanks for all the replies everyone! :pray:t2:

Yeah, that’s definitely the feeling I’m having, good callout.

Oh yeah, I totally get the why they’re good. :smile: It was more the disconnect between “You should learn songs!” and how to actually put that action into practice and do it, given I couldn’t find an obvious “Go here and there are a bunch of tabs for you” next step.

An hour! Goodness. It’s meant to be a wet and miserable weekend this weekend here in Sydney so that’ll definitely be a good thing to tuck into. Hell of a playlist with all the rest of the videos there too!

Oh that looks perfect! …I don’t suppose there’s a digital version anywhere though? It seems to be all physical books, which always end up costing a MINT to ship to Australia.

…actually ignore that last sentence, after reading through the replies further down it looks like this is pretty much what Justin Guitar Tabs is?

Ah good to know!

Oooh, gotcha, okay, that looks like what I’m after.

And yeah, I’m kind of in a weird in-between position where I’m not good enough to play the original song for the most part, but I’m past the one-strum-per-bar thing, haha.

I saw the suggested practice routine yeah, I don’t think I saw anything about a schedule though… :thinking:

Ah hrm, interesting. I would have assumed the app was pretty much self-contained and covered everything that was needed.

Oh no, definitely not thinking I’d be able to play along exactly with the artist. :sweat_smile: I was just finding myself at a need-more-than-one-strum-per-bar and not sure where to turn for that.

Thanks for the encouragement!

Yeah for sure, learning CCR’s Bad Moon Rising on bass was exactly like that, I love the song and it’s so fun to play along with. :slight_smile:

Haha 100%, I’m the same with anything.

Ohhh that’s a great idea, and reminds me that I wanted to ask about it: I mentioned I’ve been learning drums too, and there’s a guy who put up a whole bunch of tracks on Bandcamp in all sorts of different styles that just don’t have any drum kit in them, so you can play along with them and make up your own drum arrangement as you go. It’s SO much fun, and has helped me immensely, is anyone aware of anything similar to that but I guess essentially a guitarless backing track?

The music I listen to is primarily metal, which I realise is a tall order for beginners and I wouldn’t expect to be playing early on. :sweat_smile: Otherwise, I love me some classic rock like the aforementioned Bad Moon Rising, really anything that just has a excellent beat and groove that I can tap my foot or bang my head to.

Cheers, I’m glad to be here!

Yeah 100%, that goes back to the “I don’t know where to find the tabs for these” complaint in my original post, haha. Now that I’m armed with the knowledge that Justin Guitar Tabs is a thing, I’ll see what I can find that tickles my fancy!

Yeah I actually just discovered that the strumming course even existed in the app a couple of weeks ago!

Haha absolutely, I just need a bit of a map on my journey at this point. :rofl:

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I saw the digital songbook on Apple book store if you have a Apple product. And on amazon (free shipping).

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you could also go over the slide deck but you’ll miss context (as I use slides to help me tell a story, not to stuff them with info)

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The moises app does what you are looking for 5 songs/month in free version.

Oh yeah, I tried that out last year but didn’t end up subscribing. It’s probably a little more manual, but I already own Logic Pro and one of the recent updates actually added that same ability to generate individual tracks from an audio file! For a few of the songs I was learning on bass, I already had the audio file in my iTunes library anyway so ended up dropping that in, and now with the Justin Guitar Tabs I’ve just started playing along to the guitar for Bad Moon Rising too! :grin: I’ll have to learn the drums too then I can play the entire song myself with the exception of the vocals (and the guitar solo). :joy:

For those drumless backing tracks specifically, it was less “This is a cool song I want to learn to play” and more “Here’s some structure already for you, now add the drums as you see fit.”

So, here is the recipe that I recommend for learning songs:

  1. Go to Justin’s Song page: https://www.justinguitar.com/songs. There are video tutorials for almost 800 songs. Find a song that you like and want to learn. You can filter on several different things: difficulty, genre, etc.

  2. Subscribe to Justin’s TABs. Each song in the above list has an associated TAB.

  3. Then just learn the song watching the video tutorial and following along with the TAB.

Easy.

That’s one of my go to’s, if I’m having a bad practice, I end with this one, Easy chord progression and I use the Old Faithful strumming pattern, DDUUD Though in the bars with 2 chords I started with down strums only.

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Haha Tod. That was a typo since I’m old and half blind anymore. “Fender Play” gives you a free trial when you buy a fender guitar but I never used it.

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The guitar or the freebie ? … :thinking:
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Blimey, that was a marathon read … :books: … all helpful comments :ok_hand:

Listened to Fleetwood Mac, “Go Your Own Way”, on my TGIF drive home … just a thought :bulb:

Keep having fun … :sunglasses:

Hi Nick & Welcome to the Community!

There are a ton of backing tracks to be found on YouTube but I’ve never searched for “guitarless” ones per se…

What I use (& I know some others here as well) is Moises. It’s a paid subscription with varying levels that you can use to remove different parts of a song track. I remove the vocals & guitar to play along with songs & it works pretty well… I’ve only had it for a few weeks so probably have barely scratched the surface of the built-in capabilities.
Keep it FUN!!!

Tod

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you can create you own schedule if you want but often , justin tells you how much time you can spend on an exercice

for example in module 4 :

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or module 10

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its in the last video in each module :slight_smile:

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The freebie. I play the fender all the time and love my strat lol I just did “Basket Case” not too long ago with it and posted here. Basket case Summarizes my life lately haha.

Ohh right. I think I misunderstood you, then, haha. Yeah that stuff is in the app as well at the end of the modules, by “schedule” I was meaning at a higher level along the lines of “You should do these exercises x times per week, and after y weeks you should be good to move on.”

Though this also goes back to my initial post where I’d been doing that and then suddenly ended up at the end of module 2 with this laundry list of stuff that I apparently didn’t actually know as well as I thought I did. :sweat_smile:

Oh man, I just watched this and it’s absolute gold. Thanks so much!

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Okay, I went through the “SWOT” process, and have my mind map/goals set up, let’s see how this goes. :muscle:t2:

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It’s an admirable plan, but I think music (including theory) does not necessarily have to be that mechanical or like a military drill. I mean, “Be able to fill in the blank major scale worksheet within two minutes” - does it matter if it’s 2 minutes or 2 minutes and 36 seconds? You’ll find that since each “letter” can be used only once and - provided that you list the scales in the order of the circle of fifths/fourths - that once a note is sharpened/flattened it remains the same, the filling of the table will become a mere physical exercise in writing out the alphabet. I think understanding how the major scale theory and formula are intertwined with triads and more complex chords and chord progressions, and putting that into practice are more valuable in the long run.

Also, as it seems to me to be a plan for a whole year, I’m sure you’ll learn to play much more than the C major scale, for example; there are major scale patterns with no open strings, i.e. they are movable up and down the fretboard, and “the” open position of the C major scale taught by Justin is an extreme but very user-friendly example of pattern 3. Move each note up a fret and you’ll be playing the C# major scale. And then there are the minor pentatonic scales which can be used in so many circumstances.

Anyway, I don’t mean to be negative. It’s all about having fun and learning at the same time. I wish you good luck with achieving your goals.

That looks like a SMART chart with goals to me.

don’t forget to review your progress each x months to see if something isn’t going how you thought it was going to go and figure out why that is.

Nothing wrong with adding details later on as well. Upgrading the goals as you progress is no crime either but try to place enough “checks” first, to confirm your improvements.

Remember that this is a guide for yourself.
As @Jozsef pointed out; don’t read it as a law but as a plan. :wink:

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