Aphantasiacs Unite

we re all built differently
there are different types of memory and weā€™re not all using the same memory
some people use the photographic memory , others , the " ear " memory , others will be smells and the re must be a memory linked to the touch too etc etc

what works for some people might not work for others because we do not use the same memory !
someone with an " ear " memory or photographic memory shouldn t try to use the " color " technic because their brain won t understand it

This thread has really caught my attention. So most people can actually see objects or events in their minds, even with their eyes closed or open?! I had no clue that was possible. Iā€™ve never heard of it. I evidently have Aphantasia then, since I donā€™t see things like that.

Only, as I have aged, some nights, between being asleep and awake, I see what I first thought were spiders in my bed. Or I see large, dark, floating
blobs. But thatā€™s different. I canā€™t see visuals in my mind. I do dream and can recall some of what I saw in the dreams. I can imagine. I can follow the story in a book and imagine the story, but I canā€™t see it. I guess thatā€™s why I love movies. The visual is right there.

Iā€™ve always wondered why some people can memorize and retain so much and so easily where I canā€™t. Is it because they can see it in their minds? Probably not. I know Justin has good memory skills.

But either way, Iā€™m still plugging along with my guitar. Slowly but surely.

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I can remember it in my mind but canā€™t see it like I can see a dream.

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I caught that and was so fascinated by it.

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This was one of the reasons that I enjoy video games. It is a way for my brain to focus on something than going over and over the day at work.

Now I have found guitar, that does the same, overloading my brain with focus on playing stops other thoughts.

I think it is just a different way of memorizing. I think I depend on a lot of repetition, writing it down does help to get things into memoryā€¦

I have great recall for some things, numbers and work details, and much less so for trips I have been on or things I did as a kid. So itā€™s like my brain prioritizes some things over others. With appropriate prompts I can begin rebuilding memories of holidays or things that happened as a child.

So this thread is working like therapy for me, and I am going to change something about my guitar learning as a consequence. If I write things down, that helps me remember, but for the most part I am not diligent in writing out guitar things. I do have a book, but other than music theory I rarely use it. However I am going to try writing out chord diagrams etc. If I do things on a computer that doesnā€™t aid the memory.

I have written out the lyrics to songs and that has helped me memorize them. This is something that I am going to start doing more. I have been trying to use songbook pro, but I think I need to use that as a memory jogger and writing out the lyrics as part of the learning process.
In fact writing out @LievenDV 's song overview sheet is something that I am going to work on doing to see if the physical transferring of information to paper through my own hand may help. Iā€™m off to find the templates.

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Same here, writing stuff down has always worked for me. My main method of revision for school exams was basically writing my notes out again. I lose focus/interest if I just read and typing isnā€™t the same. I can get away with drawing on the screen of my iPad with Apple Pencil thingy which is my preferred way at the moment as I donā€™t have loads of notebooks lying around and thereā€™s not loads of things crossed out :joy:
Last year I re-taught myself to solve a Rubikā€™s cube (Iā€™ve since forgotten again as I didnā€™t keep it up). Some people can probably visualise where the pieces are going but I just memorised some series of moves by repetition (eg front, left, front anti, right etc)

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not for me ā€¦ i don t have a photographic memory and writing is just a pain in the ***
Listening was enough for me

what works for some do not work for others ā€¦

Same here. I always take notes pen and paper style if I want to learn something new. Makes it much easier to commit information to the brain. Iā€™ll need a new tablet at some point this year, going for one coming with a pen sounds like an interesting idea.

This is something that works very well for me, although I use a simplified version at the moment since Iā€™m still mainly strumming only. It helps a lot recognizing repeating patterns etc.
Once I have written down the structure of a song, I donā€™t need to look at a lot anymore what Iā€™ve written down anymoreā€¦ because I can ā€œseeā€ a picture of this map in my mind.

Thatā€™s what I would love being able to say. I would want to tell people that Iā€™m an auditory learner. Trouble is, itā€™s not true. I have listened to many audiobooks for example, but weeks later I wonā€™t remember much of the content anymore

It works well with music, but not as well (yet) as I would want to, though I suppose recognizing chords and notes in songs just by listening can be improved with discipline and hard work.

As soon as I am supposed to learn lyrics for example (and strangely I donā€™t write down lyrics) I need associated images I ā€œseeā€ in my mind. Once lyrics are learned, I can ā€œseeā€ them written down on a lyrics sheet in my mindā€¦

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so you have a photographic memory

I can learn lyrics after only hearing a song once or twice
The new Gossip song is already an ear worm :rofl:

No, no, no. I surely donā€™t. That would be ā€¦ I donā€™t know ā€¦ great or disturbing?! Itā€™s just relatively easy to recall a - more or less correct - ā€œimageā€ of what I have written down :slightly_smiling_face:

So question for the aphantasiacs (completely unrelated to music, but something I was thinking about when mentally ā€˜chewingā€™ on this)ā€¦is doodling not really a thing for you?

Sitting in class as a kid (or even in conferences as an adult), Iā€™d doodle all over the margins of my paper - mostly animals when I was a kid, often imagined geometric designs these days, but really flowers, plants, whatever comes to mind. If you were to do the same, would it have to be drawings of objects/people in the room that you can see?

My doodles were always just a mixture of random squiggles and shapes. If they did include things like trees then theyā€™d be cartoon type trees rather than an actual tree.
I always found I could copy a 2d image from a book cover quite well but wasnā€™t so good at 3d objects and people although I couldnā€™t say whether aphantasia has anything to do with that. I certainly couldnā€™t draw a person from memory and even something like a picture of the front of my house that I see every day would be basic because I know where the doors and windows are

There s nothing wrong with cartoon trees :open_mouth:

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I still draw like Picasso in kindergartenā€¦unlike my wife who also sees black when she closes her eyesā€¦ She paints quite a lotā€¦but not from out the imagination her headā€¦

If I were to start doing this, even tracing paper wouldnā€™t help me
EdiT:

so so true :grin:

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picasso in kindergarten would still worth millions :rofl:

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Squares and cubes for me we the occasional tringle on top (houses)

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Very catchy vibeā€¦ and what I get out of it in lyrics is nice and catchy :sunglasses:ā€¦ but are you now calling my thick-glazed, glasses-wearing girl a blind person? ooo I used to get punished for that ā€¦ :roll_eyes:

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Well, someone told you you were a sharp-looking dude! :rofl: :sunglasses:

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