Aphantasiacs Unite

Same here, writing stuff down has always worked for me. My main method of revision for school exams was basically writing my notes out again. I lose focus/interest if I just read and typing isnā€™t the same. I can get away with drawing on the screen of my iPad with Apple Pencil thingy which is my preferred way at the moment as I donā€™t have loads of notebooks lying around and thereā€™s not loads of things crossed out :joy:
Last year I re-taught myself to solve a Rubikā€™s cube (Iā€™ve since forgotten again as I didnā€™t keep it up). Some people can probably visualise where the pieces are going but I just memorised some series of moves by repetition (eg front, left, front anti, right etc)

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not for me ā€¦ i don t have a photographic memory and writing is just a pain in the ***
Listening was enough for me

what works for some do not work for others ā€¦

so you have a photographic memory

I can learn lyrics after only hearing a song once or twice
The new Gossip song is already an ear worm :rofl:

So question for the aphantasiacs (completely unrelated to music, but something I was thinking about when mentally ā€˜chewingā€™ on this)ā€¦is doodling not really a thing for you?

Sitting in class as a kid (or even in conferences as an adult), Iā€™d doodle all over the margins of my paper - mostly animals when I was a kid, often imagined geometric designs these days, but really flowers, plants, whatever comes to mind. If you were to do the same, would it have to be drawings of objects/people in the room that you can see?

My doodles were always just a mixture of random squiggles and shapes. If they did include things like trees then theyā€™d be cartoon type trees rather than an actual tree.
I always found I could copy a 2d image from a book cover quite well but wasnā€™t so good at 3d objects and people although I couldnā€™t say whether aphantasia has anything to do with that. I certainly couldnā€™t draw a person from memory and even something like a picture of the front of my house that I see every day would be basic because I know where the doors and windows are

There s nothing wrong with cartoon trees :open_mouth:

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I still draw like Picasso in kindergartenā€¦unlike my wife who also sees black when she closes her eyesā€¦ She paints quite a lotā€¦but not from out the imagination her headā€¦

If I were to start doing this, even tracing paper wouldnā€™t help me
EdiT:

so so true :grin:

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picasso in kindergarten would still worth millions :rofl:

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Squares and cubes for me we the occasional tringle on top (houses)

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Very catchy vibeā€¦ and what I get out of it in lyrics is nice and catchy :sunglasses:ā€¦ but are you now calling my thick-glazed, glasses-wearing girl a blind person? ooo I used to get punished for that ā€¦ :roll_eyes:

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Well, someone told you you were a sharp-looking dude! :rofl: :sunglasses:

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Touche :rofl: :joy:
Didnā€™t I tell you ā€œseveral people (ladies)ā€? ā€¦too late, my own faultā€¦Iā€™m crawling away :confounded:

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I am also finding this topic fascinating; I had never heard of it before either. Iā€™m guessing I donā€™t have it as I can picture all those apples with no problems, and oddly I am now imagining a whole bowl of apples singing with cartoon lipsā€¦

I remember in grade school, age 10-12 or so? Being given a battery of tests. (they loved those things in the 70s), to test our aptitude for various subjects. I scored high in things like art and foreign languages but low in math, and yet I became an engineer even though I really hate mathā€¦

I remember one type of test was in spatial relations, theyā€™d show a bunch of line connected dots in different orientations and youā€™d have to match them to a particular image. Apparently, I was very good at this though it was ā€œsupposedā€ to be a thing only guys were good at.

Now youā€™d think that would help me with visualizing the fret board when it comes to translating TAB to finger positions. But no, Iā€™m still confused by why the TAB seems to be upside down to me, low E on the bottom, high E on the top. My brain just doesnā€™t want to switch it around.

Okay, I have no idea how this relates to the subject, itā€™s just what popped into my head while reading this thread.

HEY, maybe TAB is why Jimi played his guitar upside down? :rofl:

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DO you mean Jimi H? he had another abnormalityā€¦ he was a lefty :smile:

Blues legend Albert King is not only left-handed, but he also plays with his strings upside down. He plays right-handed guitars that he simply flips over, making the low E string the bottom string instead of the top. To make this unorthodox way of playing a little easier, he tunes his guitar two notes lower so he can bend the low, thick strings. To make those whining guitar notes with his high E string, he pulls it down, instead of pushing it up.

for people who want to expand their knowledge of languages

Edit: About Jimi
and so just read that he had to play right and turned it over when his father was away :flushed: :sunglasses:
Thanks for these interesting insights Rebeccaā€¦ :smiley:

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I also play my guitar ā€œupside downā€, and I still feel like tab is backward - though I think thatā€™s because if you imagine the tab like you are looking at the guitar strings head-on, itā€™s backwards for me.

This makes my brain melt :melting_face: :exploding_head:

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Thatā€™s interesting with regard to the 2D vs. 3D, though I suspect that may be more of an artistic training type of thing - perspective is challenging to draw! Hard for me to say, though, since I did a lot of visual art classes from an early age - would be interesting to hear from others on that.

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Hi,
Iā€™m hopeless at a lot of things uh the most of things ā€¦but since I started learning to play the guitar Iā€™ve realized that I could even have gotten pretty good at drawing/painting with the right course/teacher and the sheer amount of hours I put in each day. ā€¦certainly not certain things like, well, I donā€™t actually know that, but I can do so much more than I used to think or what people said that something is so difficult or impossible to learnā€¦but I am very happy that the choice 4 years ago became music :sunglasses: and not something like embroidery to sleep well :sweat_smile: ā€¦ I think itā€™s cheaper to embroidery and I donā€™t know what the new neighbors think about it yet ā€¦Iā€™ll have to ask the old ones :roll_eyes:

Good night to everyone in this hemisphere :man_bowing:

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Tabs just like guitar are about pitch not where the strings are. The bottom of the tab is the lowest pitch, the thickest string is the lowest pitch. So the bottom of the tab represents the thickest string. Just like music notation.

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You are right, Brian, I certainly know how my husband, family members or others around me look ( :joy: thanks god!). As you say, itā€™s the extent I can recall persons, situations, places, etc. in my mind. I repeat myself by saying, that I can recall all of that, rather as a ā€œschemeā€, without any kind of picture.

This obviously is quite a core issue, as aphantasiacs canā€™t do that consciously / on demand, but unconsciously are able to see pictures in their dreams (at least, itā€™s what I read)

Maybe! At least your fancy dresses are a great help to try that, kind of a ā€œkey stimuliā€ :rofl:.

On a serious note: I already mentioned elsewhere, that I have some serious eye sight problems coming up and probably getting worse over time, up to the possibility of losing eye sight. In this context, it is definitely a major issue, if someone like me wouldnā€™t be able to reconstruct images from their minds to save lots of information ā€œinsideā€. It was kind of an ā€œawakeningā€ experience within the last few days, that maybe, I wonā€™t even be able to recall those ā€œpicturesā€ any more, but others do. Losing the faces of my beloved ones might be the hardest part of it, but not having the ability to recall experiences either, is kind of disillusioning :flushed:. I simply wasnā€™t aware of that. Another ugly toad to swallow.
Guitar related, it maybe were impossible to visualize everything on the neck then. Thanks god, my sensitivity and feel for the fretboard will get better over time.

Thatā€™s what Iā€™m asking myself too!

Been busy within the last days, Iā€™m a little late on replying, Phil. Glad you found a way to deal with that all. Iā€™m a paper girl too, writing out songs does help a lot with recognizing song structure, etc.

Although I donā€™t see pictures in my mind, I certainly do random scrawling. E.g., I do that during protracting work phone calls, but itā€™s rather tracing the squares on a sheet of paper than drawing objects or people.

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