Better Days

Every body hates, tolerates, or fears AI, right? Whatever, here’s a song I wrote about loss, fear and hope that I sent to AI production:

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I’ll avoid answering your question @CT Clint as I think it was probably intended to be rhetorical, rather I’ll ask you a few if you don’t mind. You wrote:

Can I ask which bits are: wholly you (or collaborating humans); part you (or collaborating humans) / part AI; all AI? I’m interested to know.

  • Words
  • Music (chords)
  • Music (melody)
  • Arranging
  • Playing of instruments
  • Lead vocals
  • Backing vocals
  • Recording
  • Engineering (eq, mixing, post recording effects, stereo placement etc.)
  • Mastering

Cheers, Simon

@simon_plays_bass, I appreciate all listens and comments. This tells me that you are at least tolerant of AI music enough to ask questions. In turn, I value my creativity and musical ability enough to not provide answers. I would rather discuss the merits of the song, which may be either good or bad in whole or in part.

That’s correct to some extent. I use it in the production process. A couple of ways I use AI in music are:

  • removing bass lines prior to doing a bass cover
  • Mastering

There may be other ways I use it that I’m not aware of.

That’s clear and understood.

For the most part I tend to follow this person’s approach:

On some of my original songs I record an acoustic version and then see what AI does with it. And I sometimes release both versions to my channel. I most times work out a song on acoustic, dislike my vocals and go straight to AI production. LOL

I’m still working through other creative things with AI music, such as a mix of my singing and playing with the AI production. I had a version with my vocals and a choir, but I didn’t like it that much (my vocals again). Still learning and stretching. :slight_smile:

EDIT: There is a fair amount of negativity tied to AI, but appreciate that the forum allows some space for it.

I don’t think that explaining how you made something devalues the creativity needed to make it. Actually, showing your technique could have the opposite effect, with a reaction like “wow, that’s very creative. I never would have thought about it”. Analogous to someone posting a video of them selves playing with a unique sound, and then explaining how he got that sound.

Though I completely respect your point of view as well. BTW, I do like the song, particularly the electric guitar fills and solo (I guess that’s my focus these days). And what an amazing voice.

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I guess it’s more like lather, rinse & repeat with most questions already answered in my previous video posts. Every track is a little different, and it is sure to expand as AI music tools continue to improve, but it usually starts with me writing a song, entering the lyrics into AI, and then prompting the AI multiple times to give me the overall track (vocals, orchestration, etc) that I’m looking for.

I started out by first recording some acoustic tracks and then creating an AI version. That was mostly to develop my own process, and prove (as if it really matters) that I wrote the song. Now I often will bang out my version on the couch and skip ahead to AI once I have the song sussed out.

So if you have a chance check out my previous posts and Youtube channel. You will see the process explained a number of times and see the negativity that tends to be pointed toward AI music.

Skipping ahead here, I’ve been trying to write a prompt that can guide AI vocals to mimic certain artists. So far I’ve tried Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen without success (you can’t mention artists by name). LOL

Interesting. How do you pass your melody to the AI?

It’s not been a straight forward process up to this point in time (for me). Nor have I been a stickler about it. I have gotten there to a lesser or greater extent with multiple promptings and sessions. Sometimes the AI (like any music producer) provides a better melody and phrasing of my lyrics than I started with or had in mind.

Yes, but on a practical level, when you want the AI to use the melody you have written, how to do you communicate the melody to the AI? Do you send it in musical notation? Do you record a demo of you singing the melody and upload an mp3 to the AI? What did you do for “Better Days”, for example?

I’ve never tried any of this and am just curious how it works.

Yes, you can record into the app with your vocals and playing. I have more experimenting to do with this. I have something that I haven’t released yet. For Better Days I used prompts and trial and error, I didn’t use notes in a scale or such. I have prompted for BPM and song key on other tracks. A weak singer like me welcomes AI’s ability to develop a reasonably good melody. :slight_smile:

There are free AI music versions out there, give it a try.

Ah, ok. So you’re writing the lyrics, and generally letting AI handle the melody. Got it.

Thanks.

On this particular song, yes mostly. There’s a cadence to the lyrics, much like poetry and prompting can make influences. But to me it’s analogous to the Beatles working with George Martin, it can be a very good thing if he makes tweaks to the melody. Bear in mind, my skill level with AI music is as a beginner. What you may be able to do could possibly exceed what I have done or can do.