Bridge height

Hello all,

5 months into my learning journey now and really enjoying everything.

Practicing for at least a couple of hours per day and amazed how Justinā€™s lessons have really changed my life and how guitar playing has just grabbed me so hard.

Iā€™ve recently been trying to learn the famous intro to Jonny B Goode.
Not really for now as Iā€™m sure it will take months and months to master, but if I start engraining it into my muscle memory now it will pay dividends later.

Anyway, Iā€™ve noticed whilst learning this and playing further up the fretboard than normal that the distance between the strings and the frets is quite large and it doesnā€™t feel quite right due to this.

A bit of googling and I can see a lot of people sand the bridge down a little to reduce this.

Is this worth while me doing at this stage or will it cause me more problems than it solves?

Also, Iā€™ve just recently changed the strings and I did one at a time because people said taking them all off at the same time could cause damage - which was disappointing as I would really like to polish the fretboard.

But when I watch videos about lowering the bridge they donā€™t seem to have an issue with removing all the strings and so Iā€™m confused.

One of the videos I watched mentioned a screw inside the arm (sorry for my misinformed terminology) but Iā€™m worried about making a mess of it.

Am I better taking it to a guitar shop and having someone with more than 5 months experience make the changes?

Or just leave it entirely?

Sorry for my ramblings but thank you in advance for any help/advice.

Regards
James

Hi James and welcome first of all. Personally I would take it to an experienced luthier to make those changes but there are far more experienced people on here who can better guide you. I took my guitar to a luthier and had it properly set up and it made a huge difference to my playing.
As for the strings I have never taken them off and changed them one by one , and I have never had any trouble doing it that way.

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James @James_Liv
I totally agree with Eddie @Eddie_09 take it to somebody who does it for a living and get it set up properly.
You donā€™t say what sort of guitar but in Justinā€™s lesson on changing strings on an acoustic he takes them all off and I do that. Donā€™t know about an electric as I donā€™t have one.
Michael

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Thanks guys,

I have an Epiphone DR-100 Dreadnought acoustic.

It just doesnā€™t seem hard to sand down the little piece of bridge plastic but fair enough, Iā€™ll take the advice given and see about taking it to someone local.

Thanks all.
Very much appreciated.

Hi James, there is a lot of miss information on the net and can be difficult to wade though.

Lets start with getting the names of thing on your guitar down.
Iā€™m assuming you have an acoustic guitar because you mentioned sandind down the bridge. You donā€™t sand down the bridge you sand down the saddle. The bridge is the wooden piece glued to the top of the guitar, the saddle is the plasic or bone piece set into the bridge.

The screw inside the neck is called the truss rod and is used to set the neck releif(how much bow is in the neck) and not used to set the action of the guitar but does affect the action in a small way.

If you are handy with fixing things the doing your own set-up on your guitar isnā€™t that difficult. If you are unsure itā€™s best left to a professional. A good guitar tech can do this. Most reliable music store will have a one or can recommend one close to you.

What make and model is your guitar? Not all guitars have truss rods and knowing the make and model will help with the set-up.

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Sanding the saddle is the last stage of a set-up. Setting the neck relief is the first step. Then check the nut is cut properly. Then you can deal with the saddle height.

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Most comments that I saw online saying not to remove all strings at once were for acoustic-electric with undersaddle pickup. They say that removing all the weight on the bridge may move a little bit the undersaddle pickup in a non-optimal position. But, to be honest, I donā€™t use the pickup often enough for it to make a difference. To clean the fretboard, itā€™s much easier to remove all strings at once. Justin does it in his video.

Itā€™s a good skill to learn for sure, but I would recommend getting a professional for the first setup. Itā€™s hard to know ā€œwhere the problem comes fromā€. For instance, I thought that one of my problem could easily be fixed by the trust rod, but the luthier saw right away that it was not the problem. Later on, when you know itā€™s setup well, if you need to make small adjustments, sure you can try it yourself if you like that kind of work.

Hi James! I agree that taking it to a professional is probably the best advice. If you do decide to work on it yourself I would make a few of recomendations.

  1. Make any adjustments to the truss rod first. There are several Youtube videos available for this. I believe the StewMac channel has one available.

  2. Get a string height gage so that you can measure the height at the 12th fret. That way you can compare your settings to other recommendations.

  3. Adhere the sandpaper to a ā€˜veryā€™ flat surface and keep the edge square to the saddle. Otherwise the the saddle will not completely touch the bridge and transfer the vibrations fully.

  4. If you sand the saddle it is very important to remove the material evenly so that you do not dip one end or the other.

Good Luck!

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Hi James,
Youā€™ve already been ā€˜googlingā€™ to see how to sort out problems, which suggests to me that you are curious, might be ok with your hands, but more importantly, donā€™t just jump in without looking first. All good traits :smiley:
Iā€™d go with @TheCluelessLuthierā€™s practical advice, but have a go myself before bringing it to the professionals.
Your guitar has good reviews as an entry level guitar, but you are not going to run the risk of doing much damage by having a go yourself.
Even if you completely ruined the saddle, youā€™ll only be a couple of quid worse off if it needs replacing.
A setup in the UK usually costs upwards of Ā£50 (from a very quick search). Thatā€™s almost half the price of your new guitar :open_mouth:

The fact that the action (string height) gets higher as you move up the fret, suggests that itā€™s not a nut problem, but bow of the neck (truss rod) or height of the bridge.
Do as @stitch suggested and look up a couple of videos on what the truss rod does and how to adjust it if needed (small amounts, carefully). If the action is still high, Iā€™d have a go at sanding down the saddle. I did this on a Fender acoustic and it worked well.
If you do have a go, do us all a favour and add pics showing us how you get on.
We love to be entertained! :wink:
Oh yeah, forget about changing strings individually. You wonā€™t damage the guitar. Give it a good clean :smiley:

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Thank you,

I have an Epiphone DR-100 Dreadnought acoustic. It does have a truss rodd.

But itā€™s interesting reading some of the comments here about an electro acoustic as I also have a Tanglewood electrio acoustic in my loft.
Itā€™s been - itā€™s been in there for 30 years and Iā€™m going to get it out.
Iā€™ve never even played it but I know one of the strings have snapped. I obviously have strings and know how to change those.

Iā€™m not very handy at DIY, I tore my jeans changing the curtains recently!
Iā€™ll get down to a guitar shop and let them alter my setup.

Near the sound hole end of the fretboard Thereā€™s almost a centemeter of play before the string touches the board and it makes finger picking fairly challenging at that end.

Appreciate all the advice
Regards
James

Thanks @brianlarsen,

Youā€™re right in that itā€™s not an expensive guitar.
Iā€™ve never tried to play an expensive guitar and Iā€™m quite keen to upgrade but not confident enough yet to go into a guitar shop and play a few to know the difference.

That said, cheap guitar or notā€¦ It has my heart. I whittle away hours playing it and have grown quite attached to it.

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Oooh, all the more reason to have a go.
It will make you bond with it even more! :smiley:
Especially now that you have a second guitar to get up and running.
Donā€™t forget, the skills you learn doing things yourself do not just have monetary value.

Of course when someone asks a bridge question on a guitar forum thereā€™s often a joker who suggests it needs a Floyd Rose (only kidding :rofl:)
Good luck anyway

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something that has value to you, is worth taking care of. It will take care of you as well.

Getting it to play better will render dividents.
Having it set up is woth it because if you are attached to an instrument, it has value to you.

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Of course it will.
And professional will always do the superior job :smiley:

Personally, I would get more pleasure from a reasonable job by myself, than good one by a luthier.
Not much can go wrong with learning to adjust a truss rod and sanding the bottom of a saddle. Worst case scenario, itā€™ll be a tenner more for a replacement saddle at the setup.
Thatā€™s cheap for the experience gained, let alone job satisfaction :smiley:
To each his/her ownā€¦

As long as you donā€™t snap the nut off.

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Thatā€™d be pretty impressive from the soundhole end :rofl:

Those are usually allen key and easly stripped with the wrong wrench :woozy_face:

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And a nightmare to replace the rod if the screw is mangled. But most Luthiers have a tool that can sort mangled rod bolts, which is tapered and with gentle tapping reaches a point where the truss rod can be adjusted. Its still knackered but at least its adjustable !

I fully agree. If you canā€™t use the right allen key, you should not try this :wink:

So I dug the guitar out of my loft, the strings were snapped, the nut fell off it and it was a bit of a mess.

I cleaned it up, re-glued the nut, put new strings on it andā€¦ It just doesnā€™t sound right at all.
The tuning pegs are very stiff too.

Also, the gap between the frets and the string is fairly big right down it which makes me think the truss rodd needs adjusting.

I donā€™t know what Iā€™m bloody doing!
So, Iā€™m going to take both of them to a local guitar shop and have them setup properly.

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