C Major Scale

NO KIDDING HAHAHA!! In a recent lesson I watched, he cut to Nitsuj struggling with picking a chord and I about peed laughing so hard! When he says “I struggle talking with this third person or first person thing with Nitsuj” I don’t blame him for referring to Nitsuj as a separate person because if he said something like “Oh ‘I’ have issues struggling playing the open C scale”, it may come off like he can’t play it lol. But if he says “HE struggles with it” we know who he’s talking about his left-handed studies.

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This is the same as playing the notes in open positions from module 8, except that it starts from C instead of E

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Welcome to the forum Damien

No, the scale you learnt in module 8 was the E minor pentatonic in open position
this one is the C major Scale in open position

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They’re the same in the sense that they are in open position and have only natural notes in them. However, the C major scale has 7 notes: C, D, E, F, G, A, B. The E minor pentatonic has only 5 notes: E, G, A, B, D.

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I found this lesson hard to follow because of fast talking and also the diagram doesn’t show the order number of the notes in the scale. I think it would make it easier no?

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Hi Eric,

I presume that you are looking for the below which is included on the website lesson description:

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Hi Socio, i was more thinking of a scadle box but with arrows between the note changes? like a dance book.
Any way I worked it out. Thanks

Eric

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This has me confused. I already have learned and practiced the Major Scale before, like in this image.
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How come the Major Scale from the website with open strings is not a match?

Are these 2 different things that I am confusing as supposed to be the same?

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There are 5 different shapes in the CAGED system one for each open chord that makes up the name. These are movable shapes.
The first shape you posted is the E shape. The scale it represents is G major
The second shape you posted is the C shape. The scale it represents is C major.
If you want the first shape to be a C major place the Root note on the 8th fret E string

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You can study more about the CAGED system in Justin’s Theory Course which I would thoroughly recommend.

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Hi Eric,

What do you mean exactly by “order number” of the notes? Scale degrees? Fingering?

As it’s the C major scale, C is degree I. This scale has only natural notes, so D will be degree II, E will be degree III, etc. The next C will be degree I again.

Fingering: this pattern is in open/first position, i.e. your first finger plays the notes at the first fret, your second finger at the second fret, and your third finger at the third fret.

Also, at this stage, you should begin and end the scale on the note C, played on the 5th string.

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Ho Jozsef, thanks for your message.

In fact I figured it out since then.
but being a non english spoken native, and Justin speaking fast, I had problem to figure out at the same time the talking, the fingers images and the logic behind the strings VS notes.

Now I don’t have a clue about what means Degree I degree II Degree III…But at this point i am not sure i need that bit of Theory. What d you think?

Currently fighting for my Fxxxxxx Chord :frowning:

Take Care

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It’s a fancy way of saying notes in the scale. The notes in every Major scale are numbered 1-7
Each one of these numbers refers to a Interval or Degree.

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They can also be useful if you are interested in chord progressions. E.g. I-IV-V is the basis of the blues progression. In the key of C it refers to the C, F and G chords. And all of this can be traced back to the major scale.

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Hi Jozsef, thanks .I think I got the overall concept but I am not there yet. I started guitar 15 months ago at 60.
and my boomer brain slowly learn :-).

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Thanks for the explanation!

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Working on it! I’m the middle of Grade 5, I see CAGED is coming up in Grade 6 :grinning: :+1:

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Man, I came back from Module 10 (alternative picking this thing) cause I had trouble memorizing this and once the knot is broken (is that a saying in english as well or only in german?) it suddenly makes so much sense. Couldn’t help but chuckle a bit. :smiley:

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Yeah I’m getting confused with scales. I’m trying to do the Theory course concurrent with the Beginner course. In the Theory course, I got assigned the first major pattern to practice, but it isn’t the same as the C Major scale from module 9 of the Beginner course, but actually kind of similar. Similar enough to be confusing. So first off, what I am comprehending is that scales can have a shape and/or a pattern and those are two different things. Am I correct? Why is the C Major in module 9 referred to as a shape instead of a pattern?

Secondly, the C Major scale shape from module 9- is it actually the third Major Scale pattern that technically hasn’t been introduced yet? And is only called C Major because that is where the pattern is being placed root note-wise? This pattern can be played anywhere on the neck, so whatever root note it is applied to, it gets called that note’s scale, correct? So say I moved this pattern #3 from root note C to root note D. What would it be called then, seeing as there is a D Major scale that is a different pattern (pattern #2)?

I guess this confusion results in a third thing I am wondering- how do we verbally differentiate the five different patterns from one another when they can all (I assume) be played anywhere on the neck?

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And fourthly, the E Minor Pattern 1 chord box graphic above…it looks like it’s lowest root note is on the F# fret on the 6th string, instead of the open string being the root note. Granted that might be an old chord box on one of Justin’s older lessons showing only the shape and not the proper placement. But am I even correct thinking that in the case of E the open string is the root note? That’s the only thing I can think of as to why that pattern is called an E shape. I dunno, so confusing. I prob need to go back and watch all the scales lessons again.

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Correct. The notes are E G A B D.

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