Chords In Keys (super easy!)

Stuart the amount of questions you ask about blues and scales you should know both the minor and major pentatonic scales by now. You where asking about likes the other day and why they fit over some chords and not others. Maybe you shouldn’t jump around between lesson so much or stick with one thing at a time until you understand it.

In Sept of last year you where asking the same questions in this thread. This lesson is about chord not scales. Justin does some improvising but that’s not the point of this lesson. he’s demonstrating how knowing how to figure out the chord in a key will help you later on.
If you understand how to figure out the chord in a key then you are done with this lesson move on.

2 Likes

Err no. Why would you assume that? I only know (been taught via the lessons) the A minor pentatonic scale Pattern 1. I’m only at the end of Grade 3 and guessing that the others will come in later Grades.

May be you are right. I ask questions because I’m curious.

After all this I’m not sure I am. Justin says that you can use chords in a key in any order, so if someone is playing C, Am, Em and G how would I know that is in the key of G?

1 Like

Why are you asking all these question if you don’t know the scale they belong to?

Then you know all 12 minor pentatonic scales Pattern 1. the root note is the letter of the scale’s name. G minor pentatonic is the same patter but starts on the note G and so on.

Buy listening to where the chord progression resolves. This take practice by learning and playing songs and using your ears.

1 Like

@Stuartw Regarding the C - Am - Em - G progression and knowing which key it’s in, you need to know (or at least be aware of) several things. The first is the major scale formula with which you can find out the notes of a given major scale. Then you need to know the nature of diatonic chords within a certain key, i.e. the (3-note) chords that can be created from the notes of the given scale (and only those notes).

Below, there’s a small diagram I’ve just made in Excel showing the keys that this C - Am - Em - G progression can be in, with the chords highlighted in orange. The lone non-diatonic progression is the only one I could think of off the top of my head as non-diatonic progressions are not in the focus now. Relative minor keys are not discussed, either.

Your first guideposts should be the major chords, C and G. In the diagram I highlighted the scale degrees where major chords can fall in green; these are degrees I, IV and V. They are major chords because they contain the major third in relation to the major scale of their root note.

You can see that two of these major degrees, IV and V, are adjacent, i.e. the root notes of these major chords also have to be adjacent. But C and G are not adjacent, so they cannot be the IV and V chords. That leaves us with the option of one of them being I and the other being IV or V.

Now, you can either write out the two keys as I did, or you can examine the interval relationship of C and G (the notes). And this is where another key skill, knowing the notes and intervals on the fretboard, comes into play. What you can see in the diagram written out in letters and numbers can also be seen on the fretboard in shapes. Which notes do you have at fret 3 on strings 6 and 5? That’s right, G and C. C is a perfect fourth above that G, and G (or its octave, to take the pitch difference into consideration) is a perfect fifth above C.

Now on to the two minor chords, Am and Em. In every major key, the ii, iii and vi chords are minor because they contain the minor third in relation to the major scale of their root note.

Again, you have two adjacent degrees, ii and iii, but A and E are not adjacent, so they cannot be the ii and iii chords. One of them must be vi and the other has to be the ii or iii. Writing out the scales is still an option, but checking the interval between A and E is not difficult either. Since there are two open strings of those notes, you don’t need to worry about the fret position. The interval distance between A and E is the same as the interval distance between C and G: it’s a perfect fourth/fifth relationship. This is what I tried to highlight with the arrows in the diagram below. (Imagine arrows from Am to Em and C to G in the same lines, too.)

What remains is to fit these chords into the diatonic chord formula and check their degrees. You can see this under “Chord progression”.

So, you need 3 things:

  1. Know the notes and intervals on the fretboard
  2. Know the major scale formula
  3. Know the diatonic chords of the major keys

Without these, it’s like trying to run a marathon without having learned to walk first. If you have subscribed to the practical music theory course, make sure to spend time on the first 3 grades until you get comfortable with these topics. There’s no need to rush things.

1 Like

OK, that makes sense. Still not sure what to do with them all though!

I don’t know what you mean by ‘resolves’!

I always thought (obviously incorrectly) that the key of the chord progression was determined by the first chord, so taking the example above ( C - Am - Em - G) this is actually in the key of C not G.

1 Like

@Jozsef Thanks for your detailed response which is going to take me some time to work through and makes sense of. I may come back to you :slight_smile:

2 Likes

I just started grade 3 guitar and happened upon this video by Justin during a different you tube video viewing. Anyway, I watched it, and I could grasp most of what Justin was doing. I have a fair amount of music theory already under my belt, and understood the chords in a major key. I liked how Justin showed how to get to these chords in a simplified way. In his example, I understood the G chord (made moving the F chord shape up 2 frets), the A minor and B minor chords (moving the E minor chord shape with barre up to the proper frets), and was a bit stumped at the C chord and D chord. I had to watch the video several times, and slowed it down to 1/4 speed (Justin sounds really funny ‘drunk’ at that speed). I did that to try and see, but mostly hear how many notes he was letting ring out with the pick for the C and D chords. I really have to listen closely again, but he missed picking the 6th string and only played strings 2-5 I think for the C and D chords. Those were the only 2 chords in the video I struggled with, but can hear them compared to standard C and D chords closer to the nut, and they sound the same played that way. Is this correct? I may find this in other videos in this series, and I see he also touches on the subject in grade 4 when I get to that point. For the E minor, I got the concept of moving the A minor chord shape up to the proper location on the fretboard and barring. It was a great concept. Other than the C and D chords, it was really well presented.

1 Like

The C and D are A shaped barre chords.

These are E shaped Barre Chords.

1 Like

Thanks Stitch. I thought that may be it. It was hard to see in the video which strings/frets he was pressing down with his finger for me anyway. If Justin explained it, I surely missed it. I’ll have to re-watch the video and see, but that makes sense. The notes for the chords all fall into place then, and Justin was just hitting 4 strings, missing the 1st and 6th.

2 Likes

This was a pretty frustrating lesson for me. After reading through some of the comments in the discussion this is what I think i’ve come up with as a summary.

1 - Chords that can be safely/harmoniously played together are dictated by the base note chosen on the 6th string. This note will dictate the first chord in major with the subsequent 2 chords each one step down with the first major and the second minor. Follow suit with corresponding frets on the 5th string just below but in major, minor, minor.

2 - The base note chosen dictates what notes in that major scale that can be harmoniously played.

So when Justin choses to have G as his first note on the 6th string that means he’s in G major key starting on the 3rd fret which explains why he’s occasionally jumping further up the neck into the second fret position and (seemingly) using notes within the G Major second position.

Does this sound correct?

Question: If i want to do this pattern of play a note skip a note play skip ect. i see Justin did it in the key of G i understand how that works but what if i want to use the key of C which is all the way down on the 8th fret of the 6th string would i have to barr the 12th fret this is exremely difficult?

1 Like

@rishkid11
It’s a good question following a good sense of logic Sammy.
Think outside theinear movement on 6th string only.
Did you everesrn the open string note names?
Did you learn the notes on all strings between frets 1 and 3 inclusive?
Did you learn where the root notes of the common chords are located.
If yes tk one or more of these, can you find the note C anywhere apart from 6th string fret 8?

yes i know that there is a C on 5th string 3rd fret. How would you the go about playing the chords in the key using the barre chords that justin presented in the video?

1 Like

Figure out the chord root notes first using a similar pattern on the fretboard.

Read Justin’s notes here …

Open Chords Only?
If you’re not comfortable with barre chords, you can still use this pattern to figure out the chords and then use them in an open position. It’s not just a thing for barre chords - and you don’t even need to know the names of the chords! :wink:
As long as you stick to the shape and know what key you’re in, this cheat will be loads of fun, even if you’re only comfortable playing open chords.

You don’t need to use only barre chords.
:slight_smile:
Does that help?

I watched this lesson yesterday. To me it was very confusing. I’m going watch it again on Youtube and slow it down as much as I can. It would be great if there were chord diagrams or something similar displayed in the notes.