Chords In Keys (super easy!)

Stuart the amount of questions you ask about blues and scales you should know both the minor and major pentatonic scales by now. You where asking about likes the other day and why they fit over some chords and not others. Maybe you shouldn’t jump around between lesson so much or stick with one thing at a time until you understand it.

In Sept of last year you where asking the same questions in this thread. This lesson is about chord not scales. Justin does some improvising but that’s not the point of this lesson. he’s demonstrating how knowing how to figure out the chord in a key will help you later on.
If you understand how to figure out the chord in a key then you are done with this lesson move on.

Err no. Why would you assume that? I only know (been taught via the lessons) the A minor pentatonic scale Pattern 1. I’m only at the end of Grade 3 and guessing that the others will come in later Grades.

May be you are right. I ask questions because I’m curious.

After all this I’m not sure I am. Justin says that you can use chords in a key in any order, so if someone is playing C, Am, Em and G how would I know that is in the key of G?

Why are you asking all these question if you don’t know the scale they belong to?

Then you know all 12 minor pentatonic scales Pattern 1. the root note is the letter of the scale’s name. G minor pentatonic is the same patter but starts on the note G and so on.

Buy listening to where the chord progression resolves. This take practice by learning and playing songs and using your ears.

@Stuartw Regarding the C - Am - Em - G progression and knowing which key it’s in, you need to know (or at least be aware of) several things. The first is the major scale formula with which you can find out the notes of a given major scale. Then you need to know the nature of diatonic chords within a certain key, i.e. the (3-note) chords that can be created from the notes of the given scale (and only those notes).

Below, there’s a small diagram I’ve just made in Excel showing the keys that this C - Am - Em - G progression can be in, with the chords highlighted in orange. The lone non-diatonic progression is the only one I could think of off the top of my head as non-diatonic progressions are not in the focus now. Relative minor keys are not discussed, either.

Your first guideposts should be the major chords, C and G. In the diagram I highlighted the scale degrees where major chords can fall in green; these are degrees I, IV and V. They are major chords because they contain the major third in relation to the major scale of their root note.

You can see that two of these major degrees, IV and V, are adjacent, i.e. the root notes of these major chords also have to be adjacent. But C and G are not adjacent, so they cannot be the IV and V chords. That leaves us with the option of one of them being I and the other being IV or V.

Now, you can either write out the two keys as I did, or you can examine the interval relationship of C and G (the notes). And this is where another key skill, knowing the notes and intervals on the fretboard, comes into play. What you can see in the diagram written out in letters and numbers can also be seen on the fretboard in shapes. Which notes do you have at fret 3 on strings 6 and 5? That’s right, G and C. C is a perfect fourth above that G, and G (or its octave, to take the pitch difference into consideration) is a perfect fifth above C.

Now on to the two minor chords, Am and Em. In every major key, the ii, iii and vi chords are minor because they contain the minor third in relation to the major scale of their root note.

Again, you have two adjacent degrees, ii and iii, but A and E are not adjacent, so they cannot be the ii and iii chords. One of them must be vi and the other has to be the ii or iii. Writing out the scales is still an option, but checking the interval between A and E is not difficult either. Since there are two open strings of those notes, you don’t need to worry about the fret position. The interval distance between A and E is the same as the interval distance between C and G: it’s a perfect fourth/fifth relationship. This is what I tried to highlight with the arrows in the diagram below. (Imagine arrows from Am to Em and C to G in the same lines, too.)

What remains is to fit these chords into the diatonic chord formula and check their degrees. You can see this under “Chord progression”.

So, you need 3 things:

  1. Know the notes and intervals on the fretboard
  2. Know the major scale formula
  3. Know the diatonic chords of the major keys

Without these, it’s like trying to run a marathon without having learned to walk first. If you have subscribed to the practical music theory course, make sure to spend time on the first 3 grades until you get comfortable with these topics. There’s no need to rush things.

OK, that makes sense. Still not sure what to do with them all though!

I don’t know what you mean by ‘resolves’!

I always thought (obviously incorrectly) that the key of the chord progression was determined by the first chord, so taking the example above ( C - Am - Em - G) this is actually in the key of C not G.

@Jozsef Thanks for your detailed response which is going to take me some time to work through and makes sense of. I may come back to you :slight_smile:

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