Finger Style First Steps

This is an interesting question. I am working on mostly finger style blues and the bass notes are usually muted, so my right hand touches the saddle.

I have found that I like to have some kind of anchor for my right hand, and leaning it against the saddle serves that purpose. If I don’t want palm muting, I tend to put my right pinky on the soundboard as an anchor. This works well for me if I am not using my ring finger for anything, which is how I learned. Recently, I’ve tried using all three of index, middle and ring fingers, and in that case the pinky anchor doesn’t work as well (my ring finger and pinky are not fully independent).

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Yes i have the same problem. For me it’s much more comfortable to play if i lay my hand on the bridge. That way i have more control over the strings.

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Unless you are intentionally muting the bass strings then you don’t want to have your right hand touching the saddle. When muting the bass you need to make sure that you are only muting the bass strings.

@adi_mrok makes a great point about the differences in sound. You want to be able to vary the position of the picking hand depending on the desired tone i.e. bright tone or warmer tone. I think in this lesson Justin even mentions about exploring the positioning of the picking hand and tone.

For what it’s worth I would be inclined to say at this stage in learning fingerstyle to not lay your hand on the bridge.

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I would suggest to use little finger as a support/pivot below the sound hole. Using bridge doesn’t sound right and can lead to wrong habit.

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Just had to express surprise and bewilderment that Mark Knopfler and Jeff Beck could be considered obscure, but I guess that must mean I’m meant to be a guitarist!

This was another lesson I might’ve been tempted to skip, as I started out learning classical guitar for many years. But as always, there were gems to be had here that I didn’t know, like the anchor finger, experimenting with where to play, and that it’s okay not to have longer nails. So, I’m quite glad I’m working through all of these so that I don’t miss anything!

The fingerstyle song I’ve been striving for a while to play is “Dust in the Wind” by Kansas (the person who sold me my classical guitar played it as a demo). It is probably not one I would recommend for many beginners because the picking pattern is very unusual, but it’s easier than it sounds once you get the hang of the pattern, and it’s also filled with sus chords if you want to exercise that.

Indeed, I think the only real reason I’ve been struggling with it for so many years is just that I keep trying to play it faster than I really can. So now, I’m keeping it at a slower tempo where I can play it almost perfectly and I’ll only increase it when I get comfortable (think that was another Justin tip from an earlier lesson). We’ll see how that goes!

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huntersmith14:

When picking a chord do you play every bass note in the chord or just the root note? Like on the E chord you would are usually hitting the notes on the second and third strings in the second fret. Do you not play these using this pattern and just pluck the the low E string with your thumb?

Not sure what you mean by “every bass note in the chord.” There’s only one root. That being said, the importance of the notes depends a bit on your situation. The root is generally the most important, generally followed by the 3rd, then the 5th (for an E chord, E is the root, G# is the 3rd, and B is the 5th).

However, if you are playing with a bass player who is already covering the root, the need to play the root is lessened considerably. And for many rock/pop songs, the 5th is often more important than the 3rd for chords where your ear can tell by context of the previous chords whether this chord is supposed to be major/minor. For jazz (or blues sometimes), the 7th or even 9th might become more important than the 5th, depending on the chord and the context within the song. Perhaps more than even the root if you have a bass player, meaning the 3rd and 7th are often the two most important notes. But sometimes this is so even without a bass player in an extremely traditional non-jazzy song, as you can see in the 2nd-to last note in “Happy Birthday” that’s coming up soon in this module).

Anyway, this might be getting ahead of what you meant. The way Justin suggests you start is to have your thumb and 3 picking fingers on strings that are all next to each other with your thumb on the root. So, for the E chord, you’d play the low E string with your thumb, the 2nd fret B with your pointer finger, 3rd fret E with your middle finger, and 4th fret G# with your ring finger (with pinky optionally anchoring on the body).

Once you’ve gotten comfortable with playing that, you can look into deciding what notes to play and what notes to skip. For example, notice that the 3rd fret E is redundant with the E on the thumb, so you could skip over that. Of course, if you do, that means your ring finger is playing a B that’s redundant with the lower B.

What to do? Well, as Justin often suggests, the best way to figure out what notes you should skip is to use your ears. Me, I think the best sounding ways to play it are 1) with the lowest 4 strings as above, and 2) with the thumb on the E and the other fingers on the three thinnest strings. But what you like best might be different.

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Hi ! A question about fake fingernails. I was not planing to learn fingerstyle playing at all. But watching Justins video saying he used faked fingernails for years talks to me. I’m thinking about give it a try. Some questions. Do I just buy a finger nails kit (on Amazon) or do I have to go to a professional shop ? Are there special kinds of fake finger nails (for guitarists…) ? If somebody have some experience in this area and wants to give me some hints … you’re welcome to express yourself :grinning: . If nobody writes, I will just give it a try and buy a finger nails kit on Amazon. And we’ll see. Have a good day everybody ! :pray:

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Fake fingernails that are not applied properly can allow fungus to grow on your nails and if not treated can destroy your nail bed killing your fingernails.

My wife worked in a full service Salon that did fake nails and had seen first hand what can happen when people tried to save a few dollars by applying nail themselves.
Let a professional nail tech apply them. Or just use your nails or fingertips.

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Thank you Rick ! Very important informations ! Thanks a lot !

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A great beginner fingerstyle song to begin learning on using the D-Chord is “into Dust” by Mazzy Star. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCF9iJJRtaU

I’m 72
I’ve picked up the guitar above 3 years ago. I’m slowly picking it up, and just got to finger style and picking it well but slowly.
Stephen

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Can’t do the pinky anchor for the life of me but can pick okay without doing so. :frowning:

You don’t have to. Justin says he can’t use his pinkie to anchor either.

I notice the G Chord finger style Justin presents seems to only use the 1st and 3rd intervals and not the 5th. Wouldn’t it be better to include the 2nd 3rd and 4th strings instead of the highest three (that way the 4th string will hit the 5th interval of scale for a fuller sound)?

One tip which really made practicing the “super easy pattern” less boring for me: use the chord progressions from the previous module.

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Take your time - and do it right. Relax. You’re doing it: JUST LOVE YOUR WORK! Thank you.

just started this today, am I right in thinking that when I play the Em chord finger style I do not need to hold the chord shape as I do not play the A and D strings just the open E and G B E

When first learning fingerstyle it best to play the full chord even when those notes aren’t played. When you get into more complicated pieces of music you’ll be adding bass lines and chord melodys using those notes.

OK thanks also is it OK to combine the sus chords into fingerstyle sort of 2 lessons in one