Help creating practice routine - 18 months player

Hey there,

I am little bit lateā€¦ Learning around 18 months and still dont have any strict routine. I tried to make routine many times and now I am trying it again. Can anyone give me short look on my list? I am sure it will upgrade through first learning sessions. Till this point I was learningā€¦ Like a punk or how to say it and because I want to be really good in guitarā€¦ I heard from many guys doing this. Like Justin, Joe Robinson, Paul Davidsā€¦ thanks for your time. :slight_smile:
By the wayā€¦ I am not married, no kids, not two jobs, no animals or having to care about someone now. I can really put hours into guitar on daily basis but only if it makes sense.

Time learning: 18 months
Instrument: Acoustic only
Prefered style: Fingerstyle with thumbpick (can play Freight Train)
JG Site End: Grade 2 something around module 11. Then I moved to fingerstyle teachers - Paul Davids, Tommy Emmanuel and Joe Robinson, Tim Van Roy

Technique

  • Joe Robinson Am, E, Am, E, Dm, C and E (thumb only, ad note, add notes, roll all) 5 minutes
  • Bending B string with pinky (Windy and warm) 3 minutes

Knowledge

  • C Major scale, Em scale (thumbpick) 5 minutes
  • What is arpeggio? 5 minutes
  • Learn 6th string notes, play them and name them 5 minutes

Repertoire

  • Find names for Pauls song - blues and chill 3 minutes
  • Freight Train look for spice it up - 5 minutes
  • WIndy and Warm connect beginning and first verse 4 minutes

Ear training

  • Figure out Happy birthday 5 minutes
  • Later then dig more about this free time

Time / Groove

  • Correct palm mute placement, not too much, not too low
  • Tap foot and use metronome
  • Play with dynamics, really silent and really loud, NO WONKY 5 minutes

Improvisation

  • Learn basic chord progression, then apply simple fingerstyle pattern, first base only, then add notes 10 minutes
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I sure ainā€™t the one to answer your question as I got no routine to when I play.

I just have my guitar out on the stand and pick it up when I feel the urge. I might play for 5 min, 15 min. or a hour at a time. Sometimes even more.

From your list, looks like ya got some skills to be playing a song.
Have ya tried to learn a whole song? And have it sound like a song when your done. This can be harder than it appears.

To make it more interesting. Make a song with multiple parts that ā€˜youā€™ do.
Youā€™ll need some gear for that. Like a audio interface to get you onto your computer. Ya can download a DAW for free off the www to mix your song.

My example for right now is.
Iā€™m working on a song. I chose a song that has 4 parts. Drum, bass, lead and rhythm guitar. Iā€™ve no access to drums or bass. So, I go to the www to find a back track for my song that has drums and bass only. Either ea. individually, or sometimes I can find them as one track.
So now I got bass and drums covered and itā€™s my turn. I got two parts to learn, lead and rhythm. On the song Iā€™m learning the 2 parts are not too dissimilar, but are certainly 2 different parts. So I gotta learn them both, and I gotta learn them all the way through too. Start to finish. This will cause you to practice a lot, at least it does me. Itā€™ll make ya wanna practice as youā€™ll have a goal in mind.
Once ya learn the parts, then ya go on to recording it. Youā€™ll find your mistakes easy by listening back to what you recorded. More practice to work on the parts you made errors on. Iā€™m up to three weeks on this one song as of now, going on 4. Still havenā€™t got what I think I want, which is a song that sounds like the song Iā€™m working on. More practice. More recordings, more delete the recordings and try again.
I can go on for hours doing this. There is no set routine, just my wanting to play the song.
I can practice bits and pieces, 5 or 10 mins. at a time, or spend hours doing it over and over again. Eventually, I assume I will get something I think is close enough and then I have a song.
I know when Iā€™m done with my song because I like to listen back to it and enjoy what I did. If I find more errors, back to doing it again.

Anyways, ya get my idea I suppose by now.
The capability of being able to record and review what Iā€™ve done is likely paramount to continuing on with the project. My motivation is wanting to do a song that pleases me.

Iā€™m sure someone will come by and give you some structure. I quite sure Iā€™ve seen a JG lesson on how to practice, but donā€™t know where it is. Someone will hopefully post that up.
Iā€™d give ya some ideas on structured practice, but I donā€™t do structured. I just play when I feel music in me. If I donā€™t feel music in me my practice time will be generally short. The feeling will come soon enough to where Iā€™ll play for so long that ā€œI got blisters on my fingersā€ā€¦

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@HappyCat thank you for really different and big POV.

I would like to ask you how long do you learn and what can you perform?

From your ideas I got something ā€œsimilarā€, because I got base Freight Train in my hand, but I can play it whole in 20-30 seconds. I would love to be able to noodle around different keys (I hope I understand concept) and also change pattern forā€¦ something like banjo roll, then some strumā€¦

I just see more and more that how much more I can I see how much a cant and need to learn and that is spot where comes to mess and I need to point to somewhereā€¦ in the right direction. And because we already know I wont play AC/DC on electric or Wonderwallā€¦ I think it should be pretty obvious where to goā€¦

But I think I maybe jumped off Justins grade too early, so I dont have that huge basic knowledge and I dont have anything to build on. Like I was thinking about what is arpeggioā€¦ I checked the video and I dont understand it that much. Cant use scale to improviseā€¦
But on the other hand I understand and can play foundation of independent thumb with thumbpick. That is why I wanted a little guide.

Maybe that Food for thought by JG would be great, but I need to dig more about this.
I dont or I try not to complain too much, because I get to this point and it kinda workedā€¦ maybe I start to feel a little RUT again like half year agoā€¦ but I wont ever quit.

Really strange is how everyone says slow down, take your timeā€¦ but at the same time many teachers recommend to work on so many things at the same time. Also you can see many great players did not practice 15 minutes a dayā€¦ but hours. Like crazy.

I canā€™t perform anything. I play at home. Closest I come to performing is when I post up a song Iā€™ve done on this forum. Ya can go look up a couple of songs Iā€™ve done here and see what I do. Maybe search Kinkā€™s holiday, helplessly hoping, dear prudence are a couple I think Iā€™ve posted up here. Thereā€™s a few more that are audio only too.
As for how long I learn. To me it seems never ending. I seem to always find something I donā€™t like so go try again. Iā€™m learning. Iā€™d guess in general it takes me a month + or - to get a song together. Depends on the song.

Well, perhaps thereā€™s your song to start with. Is the song 20-30 sec. long? I donā€™t know that song off hand. If itā€™s longer, keep on working on the parts you donā€™t do yet. Working towards the whole song.

While I do some noodlein, I donā€™t generally do much of it. I donā€™t find it leads me anywhere. While itā€™s fun. Iā€™ve not found it improves my playing much. Some maybe, but not like learning a whole song. Doing the whole song is what puts the structure to my practice. Noodling is just endless w/o start, w/o finish. It may give me some ideas, but not like trying to play a song.

Thatā€™s where leaning a song comes in. Itā€™s pointing you to finishing a song. Itā€™s a goal. In the right direction.

We donā€™t know that. You donā€™t know that. Perhaps that is a goal for you? That said, Myself, I pick songs that I think I can likely do. Something that I think I may succeed in playing. I agree, there are some songs Iā€™m not likely to learn to play so I donā€™t pick them song to learn. Iā€™d think all thatā€™d do for me would be to frustrate me to no end, never reaching the goal as the playing is above a level I can do. Maybe someday, one little step at a time, but I understand my limits of what I can and canā€™t do. Also understand that much music is ā€˜a bandā€™. When we play at home, we got no band, we sound out of context since thereā€™s no band there to pick up the other parts. For me, this can be a distraction. It always has been. Practicing any part out of context sometimes just donā€™t sound so great. At least not to me. Put it in context, where the music all comes together and low and behold. Music. Not noise which is what my practicing by myself sounds like to me.

That may be a error. I had 25 years off of playing so when I got to JG I started at his first lesson, then went through ea one whether I thought I knew what he was talking about or not. I assure you, I learned some new ideas doing that.
Google is your friend when ya donā€™t understand something. Arpeggio explained from wikipida.

My guess is you can as if ya play a G chord, any note within the G scale will fit against the G chord.

Continue with JG lessons. Even go back a few lessons to be sure ya get it before moving forward to something unknown.

This is true. Iā€™m thinking playing a guitar is a life long journey. Ya never can learn it all. Thereā€™s always something that is to be learned. Also, slow is how you learn a specific few bars of music that you canā€™t do. Ya take them one note at a time, then 2, then three, etc. Ya just keep putting them notes together. There is much more to it than just playing the notes too.

As for your teachers saying learning so many things at once. That seems like it could be very overwhelming very fast. Ya just donā€™t have the chance to learn something well, and then move to the next exercise. As your learning too, you for sure look back on what you have learned. Incorporate that knowledge into what new thing your learning is. To me, itā€™s kinda a building game. I keep building on what I already know.

Good luck Michal, the work is hard and long. But the rewards are big in the end. And I donā€™t even feel that I play, but I do feel the rewards of what Iā€™ve learned. I just know Iā€™m only seeing the top of the iceberg. For me, thereā€™s a whole big iceberg underwater that I canā€™t see yet. In other words, the journey never ends I donā€™t think.

Hopefully, some one else will come by and give you different ideas other than what little I can think of.

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Hey Michael,

Good luck on developing your routine. Its the smart way forward. Nothing specific to offer, as everyoneā€™s path is different.

For what its worth though; two general points that I feel are very important, and have kept me on the path so far. It may be of assistance.

  1. Writing out your schedule in weekly blocks, always one week in advance. Promotes structure, direction, clarity, and accountability.

  2. Being very, very specific about practice items. You are somewhat specfic in parts of the routine, but Iā€™d go even further.

Eg Item: Am pentatonic Position 1, work on fingering. 6 mins

vs

Am Pentatonic, Position 1, 6 min
3mins - 3 in a line ascending and descending @
100bpm 8th note triplets.
Focus: Fingering, clarity, speed burst (3 x1
min iterations)
3 mins - 1 finger solo over Am vamp. Focus; End
phrases on a chord tone.

The second one above is much more likely to give you 6 focused minutes of exactly what is says. The first could give you anything, depending on the day, and unlikely to give anywhere near the ongoing benefit of the first one.
(The 2nd one might seem alot as written here, but over time you develop your own ā€˜shorthandā€™, and many items of course are used repeatedly, varied etc).

Cheers, Shane

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Iā€™m a strictly bedroom player (as others among those who replied) with a day job ā€œon the sideā€ who sometimes goes for days/weeks without much playing due to other hobbies or time limitations. Add to this an interest in music theory and some real diligence in the first 3 years of playing (I started about 5.5 years ago) and you get me. I often contemplate creating a primary school-style timetable for guitar/bass purposes, but being 35 and having a job which is based on that sort of organization of time and punctuality make me loathe doing that for something I do out of pure love (lā€™art pour lā€™art, if you will). In a nutshell, I may not be the embodiment of Justinā€™s ideal student, so take my words with a grain of salt.

I speak from experience that since I started transcribing melodies (and have recently started to try chord progressions as well, now that I have a bass guitar to help with the root notes), my playing and conception of music have improved like never before. It doesnā€™t mean my hands became lightning-fast or that I acquired perfect pitch, but my overall musical skills got better. Dare I say I got more confident in myself, even though I donā€™t play with others. Itā€™s a change I wouldnā€™t measure in BPMs but in the number of songs I can play along to or in the (growing) ease of ā€œcrackingā€ songs without having to rely on tabs or other outside sources.

I strongly recommend giving transcribing a try if you havenā€™t already done so. You wonā€™t regret it.

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Thank you guys for exhausting answers (I mean it in nice way).

I am gonna be honestā€¦ this morning I woke up, made cup of coffee and started to follow routine I shared with you.

I can say in some parts it is goodā€¦ but for some parts I really need more time than just few minutes. You wont believe but I really enjoyed playing notes on 6th string, naming them and enjoying how note matched to my voice saying that note. :smiley: I think this can be useful in future.

But on the other handā€¦ this feels just really overwhelming. Even when I have time. For me personally learning and focusing on so many things in one session is just too much.

So I am gonna rework that into some points what I want to practice and make it little bit clear, so I just dont noodle aroundā€¦ but wont follow strict routine like this. This would really make me feel I HAVE TO than I WANT TO and that could be really big problem.
Same like when you are going to job you like or to job you just go for money and dont like it and I really wanna love the journey of guitar.

I checked that Freight Train and from watching Tommy Emmanuel I can learn a really lot. Like different keys or Chat Atkins lick in the end of song.

Maybe some day I would be able to play like those guysā€¦ and just chill around. :smiley:

I think deep inside my head my biggest enemy and frustration is I am learning ā€œso longā€ and I dont have single full song in my pocket. Like only 20-30 seconds plays which sounds good and melodic, but it is not a songā€¦ it is more like demonstration of some style or skill.

Tommy with Freight Train:

Justin Johnson playing fingerstyle:

Lets put here also this guy (me) who wants to play :smiley: :

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I know this feeling exactly! Elizabeth Cotten (the writer of Freight Train) made it into a song by singing 2 or 3 verses of lyrics interspersed with instrumental sections, where she repeats the tune. If you have 3 verses and 3 instrumental sections, thatā€™s a 2 minute song, right there. This is the standard way of turning a short chord melody into a song.

But, I guess you donā€™t sing and are looking for instrumental solutions, right? I was struggling with the same exact thing when I came across the teacher David Hamburger, who has a youtube channel and a subscription membership (Iā€™m not a member) that focuses on acoustic blues. Hamburger is the only online teacher I ever heard discuss this very issue. His solution is to develop an arrangement that adds additional sections to the basic tune, so it feels like more of a song.

The arrangements might contain intro/outro, a vamp interlude, basic and embellished versions of the tune itself, something Hamburger calls a ā€œshout chorusā€ and, lastly, one or more choruses of improvisation. You can add stuff gradually, starting with a simple vamp and going towards more advanced stuff, like improvisation, later on.

Iā€™ve learned 3 pieces from his free youtube content and am considering joining his membership.

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It might improve your happiness to go back to the JG grade system for a few months, learn a few strumming songs from the modules from start to finish and play them with the original recording. Use a tool like Moise to make your own backing track.

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