Jazz lovers of the world, unite!

Or those of the Community, at least. I searched the board for a similar topic but apparently none had been started, so here it is. Feel free to share your thoughts about jazz music, musicians, why you like it, find it fascinating, entertaining, fun… or even why you could not get into it. Maybe some of us can give you some guidance.

I think that will do for an intro.

As for myself, I became interested in jazz around the time I was 17 or 18 and it was via rock music. I kept on seeing the name of that Miles Davis guy crop up quite often so I decided to do some research and see what the fuss was about. Fast forward 15 years or so and I am proud to say the hype was real and that initial search led to the discovery of so much music (and musicians) that might not have happened otherwise.

Of course, the definition of jazz like any other genre might be arbitrary, but that caveat aside, my favourite types of jazz are fusion (the style originated by Miles and his groups, among others, in the late 1960s), jazz-funk (see Herbie Hancock and Headhunters for starters), hard bop (Art Blakey) and some spiritual jazz (John and Alice Coltrane, Pharoah Sanders) but it would take too long to list everything.

As for recordings, Bitches Brew was my entry but it took about a year to start to make sense to me and I can still find something new in it. It is music especially rich in details. Kind of Blue took even longer for me to like but the “lightbulb moment” was more sudden, so to say. Since then, Miles has been a mainstay in my music listening.

I’d like to know if there are some like-minded people in the Community, so feel free to share your thoughts. Maybe this can be a more permanent topic in the future.

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I like jazz quite a bit these days, and have been listening mostly to Oscar Peterson and Miles Davis. I love jazz piano in particular. I was hooked on Diana Krall (another Cdn jazz pianist) years ago, but recently decided I should check out one of her heroes, OP. He is the real deal, for sure. I don’t necessarily want to play jazz guitar, but sometimes listening is just fine. I’ll see what else Spotify suggests to me next for jazz musicians! I do want to check out John Coltrane though.

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I’ll check Oscar Peterson out. Coming from the “Miles school” of jazz, the pianists I’m most familiar with are Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Keith Jarret, McCoy Tyner, Joe Zawinul and Horace Silver.

As for John Coltrane’s solo recordings, I think his Giant Steps album is a good place to start. Naima was recorded with Miles’ group while the other cuts have different lineups. The album was made before he started to incorporate Eastern influences into his playing and before his association with the “new thing” (as free jazz was called back then). Coltrane Plays the Blues and Coltrane’s Sound are also pretty good albums from that period. Equinox is a classic from the latter.

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Thanks for the suggested starting place!

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Hey Jozsef,

I dont mind a bit of Jazz. There can be alot of crossover into Jazz from Blues, which is where I find myself playing it a bit.
Watermelon Man is great tune by Herbie Hancock that translates well to guitar if you’re keen to give that a go.
On the listening front, in recent times, I’ve come across Frank Vignola - great Jazz player, and has a lot of cool duets on Youtube etc with other jazz greats.

Cheers, Shane

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Yes, me too. Well, not playing, but listening. Two of my recent favorites: Nina Simone and Mose Allison. (Btw, I first heard of Mose Allison when the Clash covered one of his songs on Sandinista!)

Oh, I love jazz. Certain kinds of jazz, that is. I listen quite a lot to the guys like Pat Metheny, Al di Meola, Earl Klugh, Julien Lage, Larry Carlton. Of the popular youtubers, Tim Lerch’s approach to jazz appeals to me. I like gypsy jazz, too.
As for my playing, I learned a host of chords used in smooth jazz and, recently, in the neo-soul and R&B styles, and I use them in composing my own chord progressions. I’ve never been able to play a solo like the musicians representing, well, let’s call it the mainstream jazz. It’s very much above my head (and fingers :wink: ).
I’m glad I persuaded myself to dig deeper in the jazz harmony, even if I didn’t intend to play jazz in the main sense of the term. It just adds to my chordal vocabulary, that’s all. Knowing the principles allows me to figure out how to play any chord I may encounter, even if I don’t actually know a fingering for it.
Good you raised the topic, Jozsef, thanks!

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@Jozsef hey what a great post!! I too am a jazz lover and have been listening to jazz since my early teens. I had little choice, to be honest, as my household was filled with the sounds of all kinds of music but my father went through an intense period of listening to jazz music during my teen years (in my later teens there would be a shift to classical music almost to the exclusion of everything else). Mostly, I listened to jazz from the 40s, 50s and 60s. And that’s where my taste still lays most squarely.

My interest was really peaked in the early 90s when Ken Burns did his serial documentary called “Jazz” and I heard Wynton Marsalis talking about the music’s evolution and it’s social and cultural context through the late 19th and into the 20th century.

I am a big fan of Ellington, Armstrong and a host of other people who followed on from these early giants. I love to listen to all kinds of music from the “golden age” of jazz, as well, as far into the 20th century as the mid to late 60s. I do have to say that I prefer melodic stuff to the bop and hard bop that came into vogue in the late forties through the 50s; although I recognize the genius of people like Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie in taking the music to “that place.”

I have less time for jazz after the 60s although I try to keep an open mind and admittedly haven’t gone much out of my way to listen to 70s and 80 jazz as much.

My principal long term guitar goal is to be able to play chord melody jazz guitar with some minimal level of competence. @sclay I am starting on this road with the BLIM course and really focusing on getting the blues basics down; emphasizing the journey over the destination.

However, I haven’t really mentioned my guitar goal here as I know it’s a VERY ambitious goal to set oneself in their mid 50s.

This fact, coupled with the fact that I have run across A LOT of people (outside this community) who, as soon as you start talking about Jazz they’ll just shut down the conversation; or explain to me why its “just noise;” or simply say that it’s far too “intellectual” or too much a “snob’s music” (that last comment is a quote) to be properly enjoyed; all of this has made me shy of talking too much about my goal or about jazz in general here in the community (sadly).
So I am super happy that someone brought it up!! Thanks!!

I am happy to talk about any kind of jazz and will listen to any recommendations of people particularly for jazz after the 60s and see if I can broaden my jazz palate bit more.

@jjw Mose Allison is, perhaps, my favourite male jazz vocalist and his piano work is just amazing. He got a bit of a bad bad rap in the 60’s, did Mose, but anyway his music stands up there with the big boys of jazz piano in my opinion.

@Mari63 if you like OP then you may want to check out Art Tatum. His piano lines are slightly too florid for me but his technical ability to make those lines is simply stunning to hear. . .for a bit. . . it can get old on my ears quite quickly. . .definitely worth a listen, though :wink:

@Coda Nice to hear, Tomasz, that someone else is interested in the harmonic theory part of the story. I am still plugging away at Justin’s theory course and working my way through the practical aspects of learning the basics. Too much to talk about here in one post.

Anyway, thanks for reading this far, and thanks again for bringing this topic up. I hope to have many future conversations about jazz in general or jazz guitar specifically(or any instrument, really).

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My father always listened to Jazz but for a long time, I failed to relate to it in a meaningful way.

About 6 monthsago that all changed and I am now absolutely obsessed with it.

This has led to a substantial pivot in my guitar journey. I was following the course and got to somewhere around beginner grade 3 but never really connected with what I was playing and couldn’t really say where I wanted to go, because I couldn’t see myself playing pop, folk, etc. and wasn’t angy enough for rock / grunge.

Now I know exactly where I want to go. My skills are obviously very basic but I recently bought Mickey Baker’s book and am now determined.

Like Knopfler said: you really really have to want to learn. Now I do.

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Hi @TobiH !! Mickey Baker is a name I don’t lnow
Will hace to look him up! Thanks!!

" Mickey Baker’s Complete Course in Jazz Guitar" is apparently one of the the standards…dates back to 1959 and is very reduced in terms of design but overwhelming in terms of work…

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I will check him out, thanks.

Hey JĂłsef, this is a great thread!

I’m afraid that aside from a few “Jazz Standards” I haven’t given Jazz a whole lot of my listening time… aside from a few of the movie soundtracks in movies from the 30s, 40s & early 50s. The Big Band Jazz era was cool, & more currently I love to listen to the Jazzy tunes by Michael Bublé, Norah Jones & Diana Krall. Love Ella Fitzgerald, Etta James, Nina Simone & Billie Holiday. Have you heard Linda Ronstadt sing with the Nelson Riddle Orchestra? It’s easy to find on Spotify & it’s one of those “Spine-Tingling” sessions for me… I love Linda’s voice & can listen to her for hours. Dinah Washington & Lena Horne make me cry… Nat King Cole (&Natalie Cole of course), Louis Armstrong & Dave Brubeck’s “Take Five” (gotta find a good guitar arrangement of that song to learn!). Love Django Reinhart & Gypsy Jazz in general, as a matter of fact, add Parisian Cafe accordion-heavy Jazz to the list! Surprisingly, Peter Frampton is quite into Jazz lately, check out his “Souvenirs De Nos Peres” - it’s a fun listen! I’ll add “Bedtime for Bix” by Pearl Django as a song I like to relax with… better stop for now!!!
On a personal Guitar Journey front however, thanks to Justin & Grade 3, I’ve just “discovered” Blues music that I enjoy & have been spending most of my time in that direction - with Jazz definitely in the “farther down the road” category in the back of my mind.

I find it very interesting how people get so into ONE GENRE ONLY in their musical taste that they have no clue how related other styles of music are… it’s kind of like how we are like our great-great-grandparents very little on the outside, but their genes make us who we are on the inside!!!

I’m bookmarking this thread & looking forward to expanding my musical tastes by giving a listen to the artists mentioned here!
Thanks for the idea!!!

Tod

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Hi Jozsef!

Thank you for reminding me to take my Jazz CDs out again!
That’s an interesting thread to read!

In the Seventies, I was a kid, and sometimes my father played Swing albums, and I best liked the samplers with all kinds of artist mixed. Glen Miller was probably the most well known, but not my favourite. Except, when I saw the film on his life with James Stewart - I absolutely loved it!
I love Jazz when it’s not too complicated… mostly harmony wise.
Most listened to probably Wynton Marsalis Standards, VOl. 3, where I loved to whistle along the trumpet’s melody.
Often, I like a mix of Jazz with other genres best - folk, (interesting) pop, don’t know what else… I can’t name all the genres I like :slight_smile:
ah, brazilian music!
I’ve not really listened to the CDs in a long time, so I don’t remember that well what I had!

Maybe - we could do an additional thread where to share something like favourite Jazz albums, or great, not so very well known artist? I think I always got a few artists I love a lot, but which aren’t among the very well known (but maybe not so many in Jazz).

I’d definitely like to learn something in terms of jazz guitar, and did a tiny bit, like Bossa Nova or the type of accompaniment that Django Reinhard had, but Jazzy things always seemed a bit on the diifficult side for me :slight_smile:

I still find amazing how easy that 5/4 in Take Five sounds!
Dominique

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Wow, I didn’t expect so many replies so quickly! I’m glad you like the idea for this thread. I think it could be a place to recommend artists, songs, albums, anything you’d like to share with others.

I’d also like to get into jazz guitar, but that’s easier said than done. Yesterday I mentioned in my Learning Log that I’ll start working my way through A Modern Method for Guitar Vols. 1-3 by William Leavitt and that it will take the better part of a year if not longer. But I’m not in a hurry and what I learn eventually will say with me. The book recommended by @TobiH seems interesting, I’ll try to get my hands on it sometime. I just don’t want to bury myself under so many books :smiley:

As for Mose Allison, I first heard about him on the Live at Leeds album by The Who where Pete Townshend calls him a “jazz sage” and they play Young Man Blues. Of course, the original is less raucous but Allison’s Back Country Suite album is an enjoyable listen.

It’s probably due to being part of another generation, but I’ve never became very familiar with the standards / songbook / swing side of jazz. I know that my favourite players also played some of those songs, e.g. John Coltrane made My Favorite Things really his own, to say the least, but the original versions have eluded me so far. Maybe it’s time to check them out. As far as more recent interpretations of standards, Keith Jarrett’s The Melody at Night, with You is one of my favourites.

As for my favourite albums / artists… the list is long, but here are a few interesting ones off the top of my head:

Miles Davis - Agharta & Pangaea: the afternoon and evening show, respectively, recorded on 1 February, 1975 in Osaka. To me, this is the culmination of Miles’ electric period and probably his career as an innovator. Two continuous sets with no “breaks” between “songs”, the music ebbs and flows as if it had its own volition, punctuated only by Miles’ cues. Music at once loud, raucous, funky, trippy, contemplative, subdued, soothing, and also in dialogue with the past. The band is really tight and works as a single unit of force.
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme: straddling the line between his “middle” and “late” period, this album is a sort of summation of his music. It’s not “out there” but sufficiently experimental to remain fresh after multiple listenings. I’m not a religious person so some of the spiritual content of spiritual jazz go over my head, but this is a record where the passion of the artist is enough to convince me of his honesty.
Grant Green - Street of Dreams: Green is probably my favourite jazz guitarist. He has a bluesy and soulful feel that always puts me in a good mood. He’s also very good in the technical sense but he never lays his chops on the audience too thick. This album of his is unique to me because, as the title suggests, it’s less focused on grooving and more on creating a sense of tranquility and ease which is enhanced by the organ and the vibes. It may not be a classic but I’m always happy to return to it.
Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought: now this is some spiritual jazz that I really like in spite of the religious content. Vocal jazz is another thing I’m not especially keen on, but here the vocals do not take center stage. The album has two distinct “sides”: a sort of jubilant communal singalong thing that reminds me of gospel on side A; and a more foreboding, chaotic and fire-and-brimstone ambiance on side B. Despite the all-out sonic assault on side B, I’m still attracted to it and sometimes I wonder why. I haven’t found a logical explanation yet - it might be the sheer power of the shrieking saxophone or the rumbling of the piano. It’s probably what I would call sublime. And after all that “madness”, the sky becomes clear again the final few minutes of the album.
Herbie Hancock - Sextant: when I first heard “Rain Dance”, I was so surprised I had to listen to it a few more times. Like, up until then jazz to me was music played with usual organic instruments. But here we have the sounds of bubbling drops of rain, a light shower, torrential storm all played with synthesizers, and then comes a double bass solo. It blew my mind then, and it still does now. And it’s only the opening track. The other two cuts are somewhat less out-there, but what they may lack in experimentation is made up amply with grooves, paving the way for Hancock’s Head Hunters album released a few months later.
Miles Davis - Live at the Fillmore East, March 7, 1970: It’s About That Time: I can vividly remember the first time I listened to this album about 15 years ago or so. That was roughly the time when my interest in jazz started, so a lot of things were new to me. This was among the albums that got me hooked to Miles and jazz in general. Here we have 2 sets played by Miles as an opening act to Neil Young & Crazy Horse and the Steve Miller Band. Well, that night the floor was mopped up with them. Miles & Co. definitely tore the roof off the place. The sets were continuous although the changes between the songs were more apparent than they would be a few years later. Chick Corea’s electric piano and Dave Holland’s occasional Fender bass were the only electric instruments and there was no guitar yet but there was really no need for one that night. The band was on fire and the playing was as sharp as a surgical knife. Somehow they managed to crank it up and switch into a higher gear for the second set, especially Corea who was at least an equal of Miles. This is music to prove that jazz needn’t be something to be handled in cotton gloves. This is music that refuses to be tamed.

Well, I better stop here before I write a whole novel here. What are your favourites?