Michael’s Learning Log

David @BurnsRhythm
Thanks
The point of lightening up is a good one. The chap who organises things at the guitar club is I would say an advanced guitarist and a very competent singer. He keeps saying smile when you are on stage and convince the audience you are relaxed and enjoying it. However, the day before the concert the bass guitarist of the group that was on after us could not make it and he volunteered to play bass. He had only one practice with the other members and he admitted afterwards he found it difficult to relax during the performance, touché.

Michael

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Good on you Michael, getting out there and doing more gigs than many of us here!

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Thanks JK @jkahn

When I picked up a guitar 18 months ago I never thought I would play in front of an audience, but about 6 months in it sort of became a goal and to have achieved it!!!

Of course you don’t just turn up on the night there is a lot of preparation, what songs (some of my suggestions did make the final list), in which order and how they can be altered if necessary to suit the audience, extra chorus or shorter instrumental.sections. All a very interesting process in its own right.

Michael

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Hi Michael. Good you and the others members of the guitar club had a good performance. About the ear training I think that is one aspect that I’m not expecting to see immediate progress for me. Each time I do it probably some brain connections are being made and suddenly one day I’m sure I’ll start identifying some chords and notes, but for now I just have to keep dedicating some time to it and not sidelining it as I’ve done for some periods of time.

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Andres @dobleA
Thanks, we enjoyed it hopefully the audience, it was free entry so they could hardly ask for their money back :rofl::rofl:
Restarted ear training from the beginning again so hopefully it will go better this time.

Michael

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Part 11 - July 23

As you requested, by Nicole @NicoleKKB here is my progress, with the kit I got for my birthday Michael’s NGearD It may be of interest to others who are thinking about going down this path.

Will add an update on more general matters at a later date.

What I got was Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Studio which comes with condenser mic and headphones. Also got an external web cam, Logitech C920.

I knew the birthday presents were coming so I had done some research beforehand, watched quite a few videos on YouTube, as well as reading various posts in the community, so I think I was quite well prepared.

I had installed OBS beforehand, had a quick look at that but didn’t do very much than just look.

I intended to take things slowly and not rush so hoping I was understanding things as I went along. One of the issues that came up was that there was a whole lot of jargon that I didn’t have in my vocabulary so had to look things up.

First thing was to install the 2i2. If you do this through the Focusrite web page it takes you through registering the product, getting it connected to your PC, with necessary software, in my case it was to my Windows 10 laptop.

You also get to install a DAW and I went for Ableton. Again, Focusrite take you step by step through the process.

Connecting it all up to OBS was not particularly easy in the sense that the terms were all new to me and made a few false steps but when you do that you tend to learn a lot. Connecting up the sources at a basic level I managed.

Connected up mic and guitar and made a simple recording in the DAW and OBS just to make things were sort of working OK.

Did all of this over a couple days. Must say the videos from Focusrite are good and explain things very well. I had them on my iPad so was able to stop and do the task or rerun if I was not sure.

Last week I started to really get to play with making recordings in OBS. What I had in my original set up was the 2i2 as just one input. However, I had had seen Keith’s @Majik thread mentioning that you can split the inputs and control them separately. You need another bit of software installed in OBS to do that ASIO-OBS. There is an updated version from the original post which is mentioned in the later posts in that thread. Got it installed easily but getting the settings right took a bit of time as the is slightly different to the older version of the software. To be honest without Keith’s thread I don’t think I would have been aware you could do this as it had not been mentioned in any videos I had seen.

So, I did some recordings of parts of songs, so I had something to review. At the time I listened via the speaker on the laptop and it didn’t sound very good and I think I was a little disappointed. Then the penny dropped so I plugged in some ear buds and the sound was so much better. A beginners mistake I am sure. The quality of the sound is light years better than an iPad.

So, I am about to play around with the settings to get a decent recording balance between guitar and vocals so I can post up an AVOYP. Being realistic I don’t think this is going to be for a little while.

I have not set up OBS to go to Zoom yet but Keith’s thread gives you info on virtual cables etc. Think I will leave that for the present. Although I understand there may be some updated guidance coming that.

I am pleased with progress so far, but a long way to go yet.

Michael

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Sounds like you are on track on the right road progressing in a sensible way, Michael.

And have you tried using the 2i2 as your audio output device on the laptop with the headphones? That should give you even better sound than the buds and (I think) more comfortable.

The only use case I have in mind would be to perform in a Zoom meeting while making use of OBS features. For example, using two input tracks to contribute to balancing sound levels. That said, you don’t need OBS to perform in Zoom.

Once you have the Zoom settings right (Original Sound) and select the 2i2 as your audio input device it will work fine. I have not done this so not 100% certain but I think when following that path the ASIO driver combines the two inputs. There may be some settings to get right, perhaps a mono/stereo setting. And onec working with a combined feed from the 2i2 then you can use the gain controls on the 2i2 to achieve the balance between the two inputs.

Look forward to the first recording in AVOYP.

Hello Michael, thanks so much for sharing your experience with the Scarlett 2i2. Your honest and detailed report is very interesting to me. But it also makes me quite insecure, whether I really want to get such a device due to my complete lack of technical understanding :see_no_evil:. All I want to do is play the guitar :innocent:.
I’ve got a better microphone now, and hope, this will do for the next time.

Nevertheless, I’m looking forward to hearing more about your progress with the 2i2, and of course a recording :smiley:.

Thank you, Michael :hugs:!

David @DavidP

Laptop replay – I see what you mean by using the 2i2 as the output device, when I first listened, I had disconnected the 2i2. When I record not sure if this is correct terminology, but the guitar sounds much fuller as it connected up, but the condenser mic is also picking up the guitar as well. My singing does sound better but that might just be wishful thinking.

OBS to Zoom – Keith’s post does deal with how to organise the two inputs from the 2i2. Not tried this yet, it is probably not going to be as straight forward as it seems.

AVOYP – Got a song in mind, would have posted it in July via my iPad but decided to wait and use the 2i2.

Nicole @NicoleKKB

Hope you are not put off by my comments. Connecting up the 2i2 to laptop was very straightforward, the Foucusrite videos are very good and take you step by step.

In terms of OBS there are plenty of videos out there on downloading and getting it installed then how to connect up the 2i2. OK the software to split the two inputs in OBS is a little more tricky but not impossible.

Don’t be put off.

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Hello Michael, everything is totally fine :smiley:. I really thank you for sharing your experience. All this information was very valuable to me. I just feel, that it’s not the right moment for me to focus on the technical stuff. I just want to play guitar, work on new and improve already learnt techniques, and learn new songs :blush:. The right time to confront myself with tech things will come. But not yet :slightly_smiling_face:.

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Part 12 – September 23

Another update, probably at one of those important points in the journey, as you will see under the guitar section.

GUITAR

Have been consolidating on Grade 2 for a quite a while and have reached the point where feel I really need to move onto Grade 3. We are on holiday in the near future so when I get back, I will make that the time to move on. I am making a list of Grade 2 lessons that I will want to keep visiting.

However, I will need to be more disciplined and structured in my learning process. During consolidation as I am at home and essentially retired with only household and family matters to deal with, I have tended to pick up the guitar at various times of the day and do a bit. This is not going to work well for Grade 3 so have already started to give this some thought, to a more structured schedule. I am going to have a separate session for learning and playing songs, as I have found in the past, I don’t spend enough time on what I should be learning as I want to get onto the songs.

So how did I could conclude that I was ready to move onto Grade 3, I used Justin’s list in Module14

No 1 – Chords

Really quite happy with this perhaps the only ones I am not using in songs are power chords, but I can play them. Also using E and A shaped chords in songs now, PFC are generally fine for them, but I still need to work on the speed and accuracy of change for songs as they don’t always come out well. I am using different fingerings for some chords depending what I am changing to or from, sometimes this is happening without me consciously thinking about it!

No 2 – Scales

Done the lessons but to be honest not a lot of interest in scales but have learnt C pattern 4 which is not in Grade 2, which apart from the highest and lowest notes fits my baritone range so is quite useful. However, in reviewing all the lessons came across C open scale that I had forgotten about and am going to learn that for two reason, it covers my vocal range and also has the notes used in Justin book on standard notation, see below

No 3 – Strumming and No 4 - Technique

I have probably into double figures the different patterns that I have learnt but have recently dropped back into the bad habit of not moving my arm, so in the process of correcting this. In terms of strumming perhaps looking more toward the new strumming courses as a way to develop this and currently about halfway through Grade 2.

SONGS

In terms of songs the list I want to learn seems to get longer and longer, bearing in mind I am playing and singing. However, decided recently I need to concentrate only learning a small number at a time and get them to a reasonable standard before moving on to the next ones.

David @BurnsRhythm and I have been having a conversation about tractors, oh and also songs, and I promised in my LL to say what type of songs I was planning to learn.

Essentially, they fall into these categories

  • Pop songs from the 60’s to 90;’s that I like and are playable on the guitar. With possibly a very limited number of recent ones as I don’t really listen to contemporary music
  • Songs that go nicely when singing and playing on acoustic guitar be, they country or some blues
  • Whatever the guitar club throws at me which can be quite varied
  • I don’t see jazz coming into it at present.

GUITAR CLUB

Over the summer break we have had “Guitars on the Beach” weather permitting where some of us would turn up with chord sheets and just play along and sing to ourselves and anybody who was passing, see my post on this. Of course, the weather hasn’t all been good so on a couple of occasions we had to go indoors to our usual venue

Quite a challenge for a beginner to play along to a chord sheet without any practice but great fun and I am sure it has helped me develop as a guitar player

Starts again this week with our regular meetings but not sure yet what is planned for this year.

AVOYP

I did post up one song in August, Take Me Home County Roads, using my new kit, Scarlet 2i2. Got a lot of great feedback and in particular it highlighted my lack of arm movement during strumming. I don’t generally look back on these, but have on this occasion, must confess a little bit disappointed on my performance I am sure I have done it better, so there is plenty of room for improvement.

SINGING

I have taken in my guitar to a singing lesson a few times in the past but recently the teacher has suggested I bring my guitar in each time. I think this is all about is my timing with the chords when you have nothing else to guide you. It’s like having an open mic every week needing to get it done in one go, and if I am honest, I like the challenge. Starting to move onto songs that I am playing from chord sheets and not from memory, but that is a skill in itself in my view.

Pitching, not really sure I am hitting the right pitches but apparently, I am mostly going up and down at the right time according to my teacher. I do listen to the original song many times, sing along with it and then move onto a karaoke version. I have started to mark up the lyric sheets as to where it goes up and down to sing with karaoke version. I then started to wonder how to check myself if I was right, so I got hold of sheet music and looked at the melody line. This then led onto, well what are the notes, never did music at school always science based so could not read standard notation. However recently got Justin’s book on Note Reading for Guitarists and working my way through that.

THEORY

Made good progress and I am consolidation for Module 4, have just to do the test for Module 4.2 then move on. Although will keep on learning and working on playing triads

EAR TRAINING

Still taking a break from after a couple of false and unsuccessful starts.

However, all might not be lost, and I hope Nicole @NicoleKKB won’t mind me mention this. I was listening to OM18 on my Air Pods and away from my iPad when Nicole played Luker, not a song I know. But in listening I thought I know those chords; they are all in the Key of G. Checked this out when the video came out and sure enough I was right, so there might be starting to get some connection between my ears and my musical mind. Nicole you played them well.

Apologies if this LL is too long, which is usually the case with me.

Michael

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nice update Michael and lots of progress in all areas. Good to have a plan for Grade 3, as lots of directions seem to open up before you, all enticing you into different areas.

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Hi Michael
Yes it’s long, but no, it’s not too long. It’s a very comprehensive end of grade review.
I long since stopped comparing myself to others but I’ve always kept an eye on you because we started at the same time and from a very similar base. I can see now though that our paths will slowly diverge and that was what I was thinking when we were chatting on my log. There’s probably a big overlap in our taste of music but our way of playing it, or styles will become very different.
I was fully expecting you to say that your guitar club would influence the type of songs you learn. Well, okay, you’ve said that - but not to the extent I thought you might. You’re learning other songs as well.

Okay, so you are disappointed with Country Roads. Richard’s feedback was really quite something and you’ve shown in this update that you are taking it onboard and know what to work on. I’m sure you’ll improve it.

Have a good holiday and I look forward to your updates from Grade3.

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Thanks Phil @philsmith
I am looking forward to Grade 3.
Michael

David
Yes it was a bit long but I felt it was an important milestone along the journey.
You mention we seem to be diverging I think that in comparison to somebody else that is almost inevitable and I think Justin sort of indicates that at this stage, people go off in different directions. Playing but perhaps more in singing I have done songs that I never thought I would be interesting to do in a million years, and have enjoyed them, so it has opened up my horizons.
The guitar club influence is interesting that you mention that, as a junior member there are far more experienced players who tend to suggest the theme for the next round of performances. When I look back you would be surprised at the range of genres done, Beatles, CCR, The seekers, Irish Folk Songs, Country, Blues, Christmas Traditional and contemporary, quite range. That’s what I mean about what is thrown at me, having said the last time we came up with a playlist for the group I was in some of my suggestions made the Final Cut.
I think my disappointment with my last AVOYP was more about the quality of the vocals, I had recorded singing with just a backing track Karaoke style and it was so much better, the challenge is to do that when I am playing as well, together with the putting right other faults indicated. If you don’t know what is wrong you don’t know what needs putting right, and I am not put off in anyway I realise I still have an awful lot to learn and improve on.
Thanks, Yes and looking forward to a holiday.
Michael

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Hello Michael, I enjoyed very much reading your update…you’ve been quite precise in describing where you are and where you’re going. I think that being more structured will help you a lot, often 5 minutes of focused practice are more effective than 1 hour if you can identify what the short term goal is.
You’re so lucky with your Guitar Club :star_struck:
I’m very happy to read you’re starting to feel a connection between your ear and musical mind! That happened to me too, after a lot of frustration with Happy Birthday and other little “easy” tunes that seemed impossible. Things also get better along the way as you get more self-confidence.

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Silvia @Silvia80
Thanks for taking the time to read my LL, it was a bit long. I know what you mean about short 5 min or so practice. I did this when learning the F chord, I would pick the guitar up quite a few times during the day and did OMC or PFC, it definitely helped.

I am beginning to realise how lucky I am to have a local guitar club.

I hope that bit of transcribing means there is starting to be a connection, I see there is some transcribing in Grade 3 so might not approach it with dread.
Michael

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Hello Michael, that’s a very interesting LL entry. You’ve made great progress. I can remember, that by the beginning of this year, we were more or less at the same stage in our journey. But meanwhile, you’re already far ahead of me :slightly_smiling_face:. I guess, retirement is quite a helpful time in life to learn new things :thinking::grin:.

And I think it’s great that you’re not only focussing on playing and singing (a quite challenging combination sometimes), but also on theory and ear training.

I wish you a great start at grade 3, and look forward to hearing more about your progress :blush:.

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Nicole @NicoleKKB

Thanks

You are too modest you are a much better player and singer than I am.

You mention time availability when you are retired, it is obviously helpful, but the danger is that you do little bit here and there rather than a concentrated structured session, which is why I am planning that for Grade 3. Of course if you need to concentrate on say a chord change you can do that, a number times a day.

As far as being ahead of you I am not sure, I may be about to start Grade 3, but am I totally on top of everything in grade 2, probably not, but I got to the stage where I was just learning songs rather than doing a lot of consolidating and needed another challenge. Not that learning songs is a bad thing it certainly is not, which why I have decided it has to be a separate session to the Grade 3 lessons.

Michael

Hi Michael, I just read your learning log update.

Sounds like you have a lot of guitar on the go, and really making some progress. That’s great!

One tip on Grade 3. I found it a big step up from Grade 2. I think it took me longer to get through Grade 3 than 1 & 2 combined. At times some lessons are just informational, others took a LOT of practice to get under my fingers. Many times I doubted it would even happen. But it did.

So, get into Grade 3, take your time and most of all, keep the practice up. :grinning: