Musical Creativity: can it be learned?

I ask because I have no natural talent for creativity in any form, not just music.
I can learn solos and work at making them sound musical but creating something new seems beyond me.

So….is musical creativity something we’re born with or can it be learned?

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Yes, it can be learned.
All ‘creative’ people have to learn it.
Some folk will pick it up faster and be ‘more popular’ than others.
The most important thing is to spend time doing whatever you want to get better at.
And of course, enjoy it! :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:

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Yes it can be learned. Creativity comes from having confidence in expressing yourself. Confidence comes from taking small steps. If you try to take a big leap you run the risk of losing confidence when you fail. Small steps is the path to take.

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The only question that matters is if you can learn to be creative. Have fun finding out!

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Loosely speaking, I don’t think creativity can be learnt.

Caveat 1: we don’t have an agreed definition for creativity.
Caveat 2: what most people think of as creativity is a multi-part process that includes imagination, skill to implement, and drive to complete. Components of that process can be learnt.

Unless you have a history of curiosity-driven manipulation of things, materials, processes, sensations, environments or whatever else is to hand, no matter how ordinary, a course or teacher is not going to suddenly make you creative.

It gets worse. In the arts, simply ‘creating’ is usually not enough, for either the creator or their audience. Something like beauty or the ability to move people is also required. In other fields, ‘fitness’ may be determined differently, but it cannot be avoided.

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@BurnsRhythm David,

There is a saying in the mentoring and coaching world that “everyone is creative, resourceful and whole.” I won’t go into more about what that means as an internet search will yield enough results for you if you wish to delve into it deeper.

Even before I did any formal mentoring training, I believed everyone is creative. I sometimes start off meetings with a creativity moment (a change from the “safety moment” we are supposed to do😀). I have started workshops with a 30 minute session deliberately aimed at getting people in a creative mood.

Basically I think everyone, you included (even though we haven’t met) is creative.

There are resources and apps available. I read a book by Roger von Oech titled “A whack on the side of the head”. It really helped me with my creativity. I now just use his App, called “Whack pack”. If I need to get creative it’s my go to place - I’ll spend half an hour or so with it. It used to only available on IOS (not sure of the current status). It always helps me.

There are other resources, but I’ve not used any of them for years and can’t remember their names.

To keep it relevant to some of Justin’s materials:

Some JG students were concerned,
That creativity couldn’t be learned.
So a song writing lesson with dice,
Was published in a thrice,
And the concern was thus overturned. :blush:

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/introduction-to-dice-songwriting-bg-1108

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I also believe that everybody possess some form of “creativity”, there are many kinds and yes you can learn to develop and most of all TRUST your own creativity.

Problem solving, visualizing, musical expression, verbal wits, …

all of them make connections between related and desireable, unrelated topics. Creativity starts with an open mindset and let things pour in. If you want to be a musician, that doesn’t mean you need to be listening to music 24/7 because that would be too limiting. Interact with people, be open for visuals, sounds, smell, sentiments, emotions.

When I offer coaching session, I try to figure out how open students are to developing their own style. It often starts with discovering something they like and get them to “building theirselves” as soon as possible. What is the basic structure of a song and how to you fill it with “correct” yet personal building blocks

There are exercises to narrow down the room creativity has to push it and challenge you. creativity with a complete blank canvas and no constraints has little incentive to “go somewhere”

an example of that is asking a student to write as many likes as he/she can come up with but only use a small subset of the neck (ex: just 3 to 5 notes in a scale shape)
Combining notes wih techniques (bends, hammer-ons, pull-offs, slides, vibrato, etc) you need to expand the expressiveness of those 3 to 5 notes.

a lot of my japping to express:

YES you can learn and develop creativity, in its many forms it exists. Though, creativity must be challenged by constraints to gain momentum and you need to develop an open and curious mindset that goes a lot further than just the field you want t “get creative” in.

Would this topic be a valuable one for a live club?

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I love the answers to an interesting topic I hadn’t really thought deeply about. Nor have I really made much effort or inroads to explore my own latent creativity.

My first thought is that a major impediment to creativity is the tendency to compare ourselves to others and feel inadequate in the shadow of their accomplishments. Since we can’t do what they do, we must not be creative and we are afraid to try.

I would like to strive to feel confident in my own creative process and not worry what others think or how it holds up to the plethora of creative content flooding the internet. It is for me to enjoy, for me to explore, and not for judgement, whether my own or others.

Maybe easier said than done, but it feels good to say it.

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… and feels even better to do it :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
We’re social creatures, and even those of us who say they don’t mind what others think, really do.
The important thing is to remember that the people are generally kind and the rewards almost always outweigh any embarrassment :flushed_face:

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I would think so Lieven. I expect you will be able to inspire others on their creative path. From a personal perspective I’m intrigued by the creative process of others, and always learn something from them. Even if I don’t make the live club, it’s likely I would listen to the recording of this one.

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I believe being creative is a natural trait of humankind. Everyone is born creative. You can develop creativity in a specific field through training, but the impulse to create and engineer is present in everyone.

That said, I do believe that some people have natural inclinations towards particular forms of creativity, and find it easier than others to express themselves artistically, for example.

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If you’re playing guitar, you’re already being creative. We all have it inside us, but like Brian said, some pick it up faster than others. A great way to create your own leads is to record a chord progression, then record yourself improvising over it. Start simple with a scale you know. You can hum or whistle a simple melody, then find it on the guitar. Listen back to what you played. After awhile, you’ll notice that you are humming along while you’re playing. This is how I learned to create my own leads.

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THIS is SO IMPORTANT! I’m glad you mention it because I took it for granted for a minute.

but THIS is the reason why I coax people into developing their own style. As soon as you get onto something, you lose the urge to sound like somebody else and you put more focus on trying to sound like you want to sound yourself!

Really, this is crucial! :wink:
bulls eye @Jamolay

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@brianlarsen @chris_m @CT @MarkPeters @simon_plays_bass @LievenDV @Jamolay @erionstrings @Stevegtr15

Thanks for your replies, everyone.

I’ll have to backtrack on what I said about not being creative. From what you’re saying, I AM creative, along with everyone else, so now it’s a matter of finding where it’s hiding and coaxing it out.

Absolutely!

I can’t take part in live classes because of dodgy Wi-Fi but I’d certainly watch the recording.

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I agree with everyone saying that we are all creative and that we can develop our creativity in a variety of ways.

My most developed form of creativity is probably my ability to problem solve. Simply because I use it more. Making these electric guitar control knobs has been the most difficult bit of problem solving for me recently. I’ve had to try several different things before I managed to get it “right”. Are my knobs not as “perfect” as someone who does this professionally? Sure. But I had to figure out how to use the tools at my disposal, use the skills I already have, and learn a little bit of new stuff in order to get them to work.

Key there was a willingness to experiment and the willingness to get it wrong. Being willing to get something wrong requires being a bit vulnerable and putting yourself out there. And also learning from your mistakes and “failures” to do better next time.

With art being so connected to emotions and feelings, being emotionally vulnerable is a major part of that. That requires a level of self-awareness, and for people who aren’t accustomed to this, that can be scary. I definitely count myself as someone who is intimidated by putting that sort of stuff into music. Mostly because I’m still learning how to “music”. I’m making progress, but it’s still a journey that I’ve only just begun.

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Most certainly.

For most mortals, it has to be built on a structure of a well honed skillset, and an understanding of how music works in some level.
Then the cognitive bandwidth can open right up to endless expression.
On the flipside, there have also been a few in history who seemed to have come into this life highly ‘pre-programmed’ for music. Eg. Prince, Stevie Wonder, Mozart etc…

Cheers, Shane

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