Nate's Learning Log

Starting one of these to keep track of things.

I’m a touch over 20yrs into this guitar thing and have made more progress over the past 9 months than I’ve made cumulatively over the past two decades. In 2023, I started to get motivated to pick my guitar up again. I have no idea why I didn’t get this motivation during the pandemic when I had more time. But a couple of years ago I started on a journey of personal improvement.

I was beginning to suspect ADHD was a problem for me, as I’d been having memory and executive function problems with work. I got myself evaluated and got a pretty lengthy report of things. Interestingly, I performed much better than average on a lot of things, but on a few key aspects of mental function, I scored significantly lower. It wasn’t an actual diagnosis of anything, just a documentation of symptoms, if you will. Symptoms consistent with ADHD. I tried some non-medical behavioral intervention stuff for awhile and made a little bit of progress before hitting the wall. At that point I decided to head back to my doctor and talk about my medical options. My doctor set me up with a prescription and that helped me out a lot. I started to work through some of the issues I had with work and worked my way up to “Leading Performer” status in my annual review.

The whole time, my desire to pick up the guitar again began to grow. One of my previous issues was an inability to stick to any kind of practice routine. I just needed to figure out how I was going to approach things this time. I had tried private lessons in the past, as well as a group class at the local community college. My other challenge is that my finger dexterity (or lack thereof) of my left hand makes progress go somewhat slowly. The private instructors didn’t really have a good scaffolded solution for this. And the group class just went too fast for me to keep up.

I spent several months looking at my options. I did a good bit of reading, considering building my own practice routine from scratch, and then pitched that idea because there’s just too much I didn’t know how to handle for teaching/learning music.

I started looking at online options. I ended up settling on TrueFire with their “Black Friday” sale. I bought a handful of lessons that I expected would keep me busy for at least 6mo or so and got to work. Their free intro lesson definitely hit on the kind of left hand finger dexterity and chord changing progressions I needed. I worked my way through those lessons and felt like I was making some pretty solid progress. I was learning lots of bits and pieces of things but not really focusing on anything in particular.

I was adding quite a few new chords, some strumming variations, even got into arpeggios, a little bit of single string melody work, and a bit of finger picking. I started to feel like I was missing some things, though. For one, all the songs I was playing were simplified and not really the “whole” songs. It was more than just a riff, but it still wasn’t quite the whole song. At this point, TrueFire also wasn’t doing anything with those ubiquitous songsheets. I’ve ranted about these in a couple other spots on this forum, so I won’t do that here. I was spending my time working with tabs and standard musical notation. Which is good, but also didn’t really help me with learning to play new songs outside of these lessons. I felt like I had learned enough technique and chords that I should be able to start trying to play with others.

My wife picked up ukulele around the beginning of the year and has been singing while she plays and has also been attending jams with other people on a pretty regular basis. She is actually in Nashville, TN right now at a ukulele festival learning new stuff and jamming with people. She’s been wanting to play with me for awhile. She hears what I am playing and has been getting pretty insistent lately.

I also tried attending a local guitar jam group’s meeting awhile back. That was a hot mess. I had NO idea what to do in the jam circle. Song sheets were handing out and the group just dove right on in full speed. There was no slow playthrough to get folks warmed up first. There was no instructional time for beginners (even though I broke off with the “beginners” circle). I was lost. I knew I needed to change my lesson focus.

I was starting to work on slash chords in the TrueFire lessons and I decided that this was probably a good time to stop adding tons of extra chords and new techniques and to start working on consolidating what I’ve learned so far and working on those sorts of big picture things like playing with others, using song sheets, and SINGING with my playing.

At that point I started up some of Justin’s lessons. A lot of it was repeats of things I’ve already worked through. Just done in a different context or with different language. It looks like the stuff I’ve worked on through TrueFire puts me near the end of Justin’s Grade 1 or into Grade 2 beginner stuff. Though Justin does cover some stuff in Grade 1 that TrueFire doesn’t, so I’ve been working on that, too.

Justin’s song lessons are what I’m spending the most time on right now, honestly. I like how he breaks them up by level, gives you an easy strum first, and then builds on that easy strum. He also throws in the song sheets AND the tabs, so I’m starting to familiarize myself with using those. I like the way he uses the song sheets, too, in that he writes down the chord for each bar/measure you play it (so when you play it for several bars in a row, he writes it that way). So I’ll start with the video and the tab to get the rhythm down, then switch over to using the song sheet as I get comfortable using these. It’s helping a TON!

This isn’t really helping much with some of my other goals, though. So I reached out to a local business that does some really awesome instructional work (man, I live in such a rad city with a great music culture) and signed up for some private lessons. I’ll be going to my first one in a few weeks after I get home from a short vacation. Hopefully now that I’m where I am in my learning path, I’ll be able to make the progress I am looking for. I think my goals are pretty reasonable at this point.

This uke fest my wife is attending right now is her 2nd one of the year. Lol. As a result, I’ve been keeping track of similar opportunities for guitar and I’ve found a few that are reasonably close by. A couple of them are very local. And if I ever want to dive into learning to play bluegrass guitar, one of them has a bluegrass focus where Billy Strings attends every year as a participant.

She also participates in an online uke group who records themselves playing songs on youtube and shares them among the group. She wants me to start participating in these whenever I can get up to the point that I can play with others. She got a bunch of recording gear so she could make better recordings for these. So she transitioned from recording everything with her phone to now having a Focusrite Scarlet, a condenser mic, a better video camera, and a bunch of new software.

I’ve met a handful of her local uke friends she jams with on weekends, and they’re trying to get me to switch to a baritone uke. I’m not going to switch, but I might add one when I feel like I am comfortable with guitar. For that matter, they’re pretty welcoming of guitars in their jams, so as I’m learning to play with others, that’s certainly a practice opportunity for me.

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Cool introduction. Insteresting story as well. Welcome.

I have a lot of similar ADHD issues. Yeah It blows but its managable and can even be an asset in many types of careers and hobbies.

It sounds like your wife is fired up. I wish my wife walked in the door with a bunch of recording equipment and It is also way cool that you have opportunities to play with others. Good luck and keep at it. When my ADHD kicks in doing guitar, i just go with it but I do something else on guitar,maybe transcribe,do finger style stuff, just something different.

Great story and glad to have ya here at JG’s

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Good to hear you making great progress, in life and with guitar, Nate.

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The wife and I have musical background that go back a ways, and hers is significantly stronger than mine. She was a drum major (and flute player) in her high school marching band, and several years ago was in a community flute choir and did concerts and such.

I played trumpet for a couple years in middle school and then later in college took a piano class for my art credit. I occasionally browse various marketplace sites looking at used trumpets and keyboards (there goes the ol ADHD). But no, gotta stick out the guitar.

My ADHD symptoms didn’t really become prominent until after a major illness 15yrs ago. Looking back, I think I always had them, but other characteristics obscured them. And that major illness stripped away some of those obscuring characteristics and coping mechanisms I’d developed over the years. I suspect it’s one reason why I was never able to break into my 1st choice career path. And they’re not exactly an asset in the career path I ended up in.

I’ve been making attempts at Justin’s “Wish You Were Here” song lesson on and off. There’s a couple things about it that are really frustrating. It’s one of his older lessons, so the video quality isn’t as good (only a single camera view, too) and there are a couple details in the intro that are really hard for me to pick out. I think his teaching style was probably still a work in progress and a couple of moments he zips right through. And of course those are the moments I keep needing to replay and still not quite absorb.

THEN there’s the fact that for this one, the tabs that accompany the song don’t exactly reflect what Justin is doing (seems like it’s the strums between the picked notes that differ). No doubt they’re more “accurate” to the actual song but it’s frustrating for me, as I’m a very visual sort of person, and I want to see what Justin is actually doing written down so I can absorb it at my pace.

This might be one of those cases where I need to write it down so I can keep it straight. I know Justin suggests starting with Part 2 and the strumming portion first, but I’m a “start to finish” type. Of course, none of it is “hard” per se. Once I figure out what I’m supposed to be doing, it’s not hard to actually do it. It’s just that there are a couple of moments in the video that Justin hits you with rapidfire items to do.

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Had my first lesson with a new private instructor today. Given that some of my goals are longer-term and will take some work (playing with others, singing, utilizing song sheets, etc), my instructor opted to work on one of my shorter-term goals, learning more songs that use skills I’ve covered already.

Today he introduced the first verse of the Beatles’ version of Blackbird, which is a fingerpicking song I’ve wanted to play for a really long time. It’s a lot easier than I thought it’d be. I was able to play through all the parts (albeit slowly) by the end of our lesson, so now it’s just a matter of getting more comfortable with it and picking up the speed. I’ve only just touched on fingerpicking so far, so the new pattern feels a good bit weird and I fumble with it a bit.

The notation he used to write it down for me is a little different than I’m accustomed to, but it makes sense once it’s described and I have time to sit on it and think about it.

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I’m a few lessons in with the private instructor now. I’m working on cleaning up Blackbird and I’ve played it enough times that I’ve nearly got the whole thing memorized at this point. When I have it fairly comfortably memorized where I don’t have to think about what comes next, I’ll start working on increasing the tempo so I can play along with the original recording. I’m getting there. My wife is starting to get antsy about doing a duet with me on this song. We’ve had a couple false starts on duets before this, but it sounds like she wants this one to be “the one” we do for real for the first time. I’m not sure what her plan is to play with her ukulele yet. She’s definitely going to sing. Not sure if she’ll try fingerpicking along and multitracking her own voice or if she plans to strum chords and sing at the same time. I certainly can’t sing and play guitar yet, but she wants to record it eventually to put on her youtube channel. If it fits, I might multitrack my own vocals in so I don’t have to sing and play.

Last week, my instructor started me on Dust in the Wind. I’ve got just a couple bars I’m working on and that’s taking me a minute. Fingerpicking with my ring finger is a new thing for me, and so I’m having to pace myself as I build up a callus there. I’m right on the edge of a tiny blister on it, but it’s at the point where it goes away fairly quickly still. Trying not to go so long on it that I get past that and have to stop working on it altogether until it heals.

I’ve spent the past week focusing on getting the rhythm for this fingerpicking pattern and then starting on the easier chord changes. Those feel pretty good at this point. So I think I’m going to have my instructor hold off on adding more to the song this afternoon and focusing on the more challenging chord changes in the next week.

Getting an instructor at this point was the right decision. I’ve learned lots of bits and pieces and but haven’t really put them together into a whole song before this. I was just getting into information overload trying to weed through ALL guitar music to figure out what songs I should learn and fill in the missing pieces.

My wife and I are both learning that our brains work differently from other people’s. At the ukulele jams and open mics she likes to attend, a lot of people are totally baffled by the fact that she is able to memorize songs such that she doesn’t need to have the chords or lyrics in front of her. She does when learning the song, but eventually gets to the point where that’s not necessary. I’m the same way. But apparently a lot of people can’t ever get themselves there. My instructor has mentioned it to me as being a beneficial thing to do, but he’s now seen that I am able to get there without too much agonizing, he doesn’t mention it anymore.

My instructor is also kinda horrified that there are “beginner” guitar groups that hand out song sheets for people to play from. “It’s not enough information!” I totally agree! I think I’ve found an instructor that’s going to work for me. Now, since it happens so much and that’s not something I’m going to be able to change, I need to figure out how to adapt to it if I want to have anything to do with any of these groups.

My instructor also has me doing practice with barre chords. Right now, I’m pretty much just working on the “E” shape stuff, which conveniently includes that pesky F chord. I can eventually get it with a clean tone, but it takes me a good amount of time to set it up and get my fingers into place. No songs with it yet, but I’m certain he has something in mind for later.

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I tried attending another jam on Saturday. This one was a smaller group of my wife’s ukulele friends. They aren’t picky about what instruments show up. There was a guy with a mandolin there, also.

There were a couple aspects of the group that made it work a lot better for me than the guitar jam I attended earlier (and which frustrated me). First off, I think that the group size was the biggest factor. This group on Saturday was probably 1/4 the size of the guitar group months ago. That alone made it sound a whole lot less chaotic. Plus, about 1/4 of this group was playing really tight so the rhythm was VERY definite and easy to follow. There was also a u-bass in the group which made the rhythm even easier to find. Even if I didn’t know the song or the chord changes were too complex for me to hit at the song tempo, I was able to just do muted strums with the rhythm.

There were a few songs I was able to play along with, also. One of them threw a wrinkle at me that I had to adapt to, and I handled it pretty well! Someone wanted to play Jolene, which is a song I’ve been practicing from Justin’s song lessons. The group started playing it with 8th notes instead of the quarter notes I’ve been practicing, so that was a fun little changeup.

Finally, I think one thing that helped a lot was that even the very skilled players kept their embellishments under control. While they were playing with the group, everything sounded like it was meant to be played together. Then occasionally 2 or 3 people would break off into a little instrumental jam and then go back to the regular song. They went around the group with each person picking a song, and that person would lead it. So unlike that guitar group where the leader was going a little bonkers with embellishments such that it was hard for me to identify the underlying rhythm, this one was definitely more accommodating for beginners.

I work many Saturdays so I will not be able to attend this jam very often, but I will certainly be willing to go in the future. It also helps me identify factors that I should look for in other jams. That guitar group has one or two small group jams that meets on other days that I should probably take a look at. I might be able to keep up a bit better with less chaos.

It appears that I need to sit down to learn some of the 7 chords. Those popped up in a lot of songs. E7 was easy enough that I was able to jump into a song with it even though I’d never used it before Saturday. But a few of the others are going to take me more practice to be able to play in a song.

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I’m chugging along. Things have been pretty wild here for the past month. I live just outside of Asheville, NC, and we got HAMMERED by tropical storm Helene. My home is largely okay. Just a little water damage and we’re waiting to see what insurance says about it. We were REALLY lucky in a lot of ways. It was an awful lot of rain and high wind, but the neighborhood lost very few trees and there was very little erosion/flooding type damage. Lower in the valley there was more of both. We were actually pretty isolated for a bit because very large trees were down over all the roads out. And there were some flooded spots that took a couple days to come down. Other parts of the area weren’t so lucky. The flooding scoured a lot of cement block buildings down to their foundations. A LOT of breweries here are out of business until they can rebuild. Some are gone entirely. We lost some music venues, too. Three outdoor venues were wiped out and at least one indoor venue was effectively destroyed. Two of those outdoor venues were closing at the end of the season, anyway (property issues, definitely not due to a lack of success), but they were both counting on the fall concert revenue to help them move. Utilities were destroyed. Power was out to well over a million people. There are still tens of thousands in more rugged and isolated areas who are without power. The water system in the city of Asheville was wiped out. 3 weeks with no water at all, and now the whole city is on a boil water notice because there’s so much incredibly fine sediment in the water that just won’t settle out. This is one of those times I am so glad to be on a community well. Even though our well pump was out until power was restored, we have a tank at the top of the hill that fed the house. We were letting friends come over and fill water jugs for drinking water, take warm showers, and even wash dishes.

Healing has been slow. I’ve been volunteering here and there. Donating supplies, delivering supplies from donation centers to the community, delivering water so people could flush their toilets, and so on. Music has absolutely been part of that healing.

You’ve probably heard about the massive Concert for the Carolinas in Charlotte that raised almost $25 million and had something like 85,000 people in attendance. Locally, musicians and artists have been showing up to offer little pieces of joy. Last night, I went to a fundraiser concert at Pisgah Brewing Company a stone’s throw from the wiped out Swannanoa. They organized the show in less than a week, had half a week of advertising, and they got 3 bands (Fireside Collective, The Red Clay Strays, and the Asheville Mountain Boys) for a family-friendly show that was raising money to rebuild people’s homes. A surprising number of people were in attendance given the short notice. Near the end of the show, members from all 3 bands got together for a rendition of “Angel From Montgomery” that just hit when everybody in the audience started to sing, also.

The way people have been coming together as a community in the aftermath of this storm is something I’ve never seen before. I’ve spoken to survivors of other major hurricane disasters (both Katrina and Andrew…pretty big ones) and they were astounded at how this community has responded. It’s the sort of thing that really makes me feel like this is home. Even before I moved here, it felt that way. But this just solidifies things. People are starting to find instruments in the storm debris and luthiers are coming forward offering to repair them if the owner is found.

The art community here is pretty heavily devastated with all the studios destroyed, but it’s really starting to feel like art and music are going to be the things that helps this community heal and rebuild itself.

There have been a lot of short-notice fundraiser concerts happening locally every couple of days. I was sad to learn that the Xmas Jam was cancelled for this December, but I do understand that an event of that magnitude is just going to be a strain on the city’s ability to handle it. Still, the charities that concert supports are the exact charities that are going to be essential in helping homes get rebuilt.

My own playing has been irregular. At times I’ve spent a LOT of time on the guitar and other times I just couldn’t feel it. I didn’t see my instructor for a couple of weeks. Thankfully he’s okay. But we’ve been back at it now for a couple weeks and making some progress. I’m having a hard time making “Wildflowers” by Tom Petty sound any good. I think this one will be a longer-term work in progress and I’ll spend more time on stuff that I’m seeing more steady progress with, and revisit from time to time.

My instructor is getting a bit more insistent about me learning barre chords. He’s had me just practicing the full F chord on its own so I can work out getting it to ring nice and clear. To change things up, I decided I wanted to start working on some songs that are more focused on electric guitar. The first one he decided to throw at me is Comfortably Numb with some good ol Bm barre chords in it (and also fretting the A chord with a little barre instead of my fingers all scrunched up because going to A from Bm that way is just easier). So I’ve been working on that this week and I’m not really having any problems getting clear tone out of the barre chords anymore. The part where I need to focus now is getting into that position fairly quickly so I can actually use barre chords in a song. I think I’ve found “the way” that I need to keep practicing to get it. I already noticed improvement making those barre chords this way.

And also for fun, he’s got me working on a blues riff that he’s going to teach me to improvise around.

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Pre-Thanksgiving (US) learning log update:

Been working on lots of little blues bits and pieces the past few weeks. Have learned a couple different 12 bar blues by now and my homework for the next 2 weeks is to continue working on them, including putting them together in sort of a “freeform” manner with backing tracks.

And my instructor continues his drive to give me the tools to be able to improvise solos. I’ve been working on the Am pentatonic scale lately, with encouragement to solo with it (I’m not really feeling confident enough with it to do so, but that doesn’t stop my instructor encouraging me to try). Yesterday he gave me the Em pentatonic scale to work on in 2 positions as well as the E blues scale (also in 2 positions) since all of the 12 bar blues stuff I’ve been working on has been in the key of E. Again, encouraging me to play with all of these elements, putting them together in different configurations, and so on.

I got a little portable amp this week that I can bring with me when I go to visit family next week, which will allow me to bring my Les Paul, which is what I’ve been using for all this blues material lately. It’s a NUX Mighty Lite (the older model). Sure, it doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as the amp I usually play on (a Fender Champion 40), but it’ll do what I want from it.

My wife is performing in a ukulele open mic takeover tonight. It’s technically her 2nd open mic, but this one has the feel of being a little bigger than the last one. She plans to perform 2 songs that she wrote herself (the first two songs she’s ever written). She’s going to use everyone’s reactions to gauge whether she should record a high quality version to submit for a charity Helene storm relief album. This will be the 3rd charity album that I’m aware of (I bought the previous two), and this one is focusing on acoustic music in particular (the other two are more diverse).

Peacock Planet, Acoustic Fire and the making of a Helene benefit album - Asheville’s 828 News NOW

I hope she decides to submit a song to this one.

And by the way, the other two are still available and sending donations to their respective charities as that money comes in. So if you’re interested, pick them up. LOTS of good music in them that I was never aware of, but also plenty I already knew and enjoy.

Caverns of Gold: A Benefit for WNC Hurricane Relief | Various Artists | Caverns of Gold
Cardinals At The Window | Various Artists | Cardinals At The Window

Oh, and here is my instructor, just for giggles, if you’re into jazz guitar. He has more material on some of the music streaming services.
After All This Time | Rick Praytor

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One year into my latest learning journey, things are definitely coming along. I’ve been practicing barre chords on the side during my practice sessions and I’ve been getting more confident making them and getting better tone out of them. I told my instructor during my lesson yesterday that I think it’s time that I started to work on a song that put them into use so I could really start working on some chord changes that use them.

We’ve been working on blues lately, so of course that song is a blues song. We’ve also been working on major blues stuff and my instructor wanted to work on some minor blues. His choice of song was The Thrill is Gone. We focused on Shemekia Copeland’s version in Cm because my instructor likes that version, but we covered enough to be able to do BB King’s solo version in Bm or the BB King/Clapton version in Am.

And to think, one year ago, I was practicing chord transitions between Em and Asus4. The learning tools that have been growing over the past 20+ years are great. It’s a shame I didn’t find what worked for me until a year ago, but I guess I had to learn what didn’t work for me first, given that my brain is wired a bit different.

I do occasionally find myself wishing that I had been introduced to music in a different way. As far as playing it, that introduction was pressed in the way the school system dictated. First I spent a year playing the recorder. Then the next year I had to choose a musical pathway: band, orchestra, or choir. And those pathways were kept VERY separate for a number of years and it was not easy to jump from one to the other. I chose band and to play the trumpet. Had I known at the time that choosing that pathway would send me into marching band as a default, I’d have chosen orchestra and a stringed instrument. Or better yet, if those pathways were not considered so separately and distinct. And also if I had been given more time to experiment with different instruments. The way my school did it, we had a single event to do so and that lasted maybe 30-60min?

I’ve been paying attention to nieces and nephews to gauge if any of them have any interest in playing music, or honestly, any sorts of worthwhile hobbies that their parents are unwilling or unable to encourage. Only the one nephew I’ve discussed already has shown much interest in music. One niece on my wife’s side has apparently had a vague interest in the ukulele (likely because of my wife) so I think my wife is going to try to encourage that. My sister’s two girls are something of an enigma. From what my sister tells me, they have very little hobby interests of any kind. I’ll see what I can do. It’s not like they haven’t been exposed to playing music. Their father plays guitar, piano, and other instruments, and my sister has played music a lot in the past (though not so much lately).

I’ve been thinking about where I want my own musical journey to go in the next year and what goals I should have. I still haven’t quite “met” my goal of playing with other people, though I think I’ve been making progress towards that end. I’ve been getting more comfortable playing my guitar along with original song recordings, drum tracks, and other backing tracks. So far there’s only one song I’ve been able to play along with my wife. So that’s where I’m going to direct most of my “goal energy” in my 2nd year of practice.

I recently bought a songbook that has fairly easy parts written out for strumming songs with multiple stringed instruments. Guitar and uke included. One of the challenges I’ve had with playing with my wife is that when she works on a song, she often just fudges a lot of it and that doesn’t necessarily always work with how I do it. She’s been totally fine with her playing sounding vaguely like the original song, but my goal has been to sound as close to the original song as I can. Those two objectives don’t always work together, so I can’t really just slot in and play a song that she has already decided how she wants to play it. So we’re starting from scratch with this songbook on a song that is new to both of us. A Horse With No Name. I’ve consulted a number of how-to vids and have worked out how I’m going to strum it. Right now it’s just solo practice getting comfortable with the rhythm and smooth with the chord changes. I’ve also tweaked the chords a bit from what the book shows, in part because it makes the chord changes easier, but also because it sounds better.

My next step, I think, is that once 2025 hits, I’m going to officially “join” the local guitar group. They have membership dues (pretty sure they pay for the venue where they meet as well as for the guests they bring in monthly) so I’m going to make sure that I maximize what I get from my annual membership. To start with, I think I’ll be doing pretty minimal playing, but I think at this point, I finally know enough that I can work my way in and it’ll definitely push me to improve. Looks like they put maybe 4 songs into the playlist for every monthly meeting and given how things have been playing out with my song learning, there’s no way right now that I’m going to be doing justice to 4 songs a month, so I’ll start out with just getting comfortable with one or two and building from there.

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The way we get introduced to music is so pivotal to how we experience and engage with it. I’ve no doubt the world is full of people who will never have the urge to touch an instrument, who would’ve loved making music their whole lives if it had been introduced to them the right way, or at all, on top of all the people who would never consider it a possibility due to finances or life busyness.

I personally would not be playing guitar if it hadn’t been bought for me many years ago as a gift, therefore rendering me incapable of selling it out of guilt. That’s despite growing up singing in choirs all through primary school and thinking wistfully about playing piano my whole childhood.

I too lost many years I could have been learning and perfecting this beautiful instrument, but like you, I am just glad to have stumbled across a learning path that works for me and am slowly chugging away at my own goals, which at this stage are just ‘get decent enough at it to play in front of someone without relying on luck’.

It’s cool that you’ve got your sights set on joining a group. I hope it all works out!

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Pretty stoked. In addition to working on some blues material with my instructor, I’ve also been working on A Horse With No Name. I’ve kinda merged lessons from different programs to get the kind of learning progression I want/need. Justin’s lesson alone has a bigger jump than I like from simple strums to the Pattern 3.

A Horse With No Name by America | JustinGuitar.com

So for that, transition, I went to the TrueFire lesson for this song. TrueFire’s lesson gives an intermediate between a basic quarter note strum and Justin’s Pattern 3. There, it’s a quarter note pattern, but it’s a bass/strum pattern. Essentially a boom chuck, but the “chuck” part is a full strum and not just the top 3 or 4 strings. Then from there I moved to Justin’s Pattern 3. I always had in the back of my mind the final goal, Justin’s Pattern 4, so I’d work on it at a very slow tempo a little at a time. Today I dove right into Pattern 4 and with a couple run throughs before I started feeling pretty good about it.

I have a bit to clean up with it. Mainly keeping my tempo consistent, and I think stepping up the volume on the backing track so I can hear the beat better will help. I also miss the occasional strum (especially after I’ve played it a number of times and start getting numb fingers I start thinking more about than the rhythm), but that’s not so big of a deal. But it’s really starting to come together and that’s pretty exciting.

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Nate, I find Justin’s song lessons to be the most enjoyable part of learning on Justin’s website for the reasons you listed. When I prepared to record my ten songs for grade 2 consolidation I listened to each of the song lessons multiple times so that i could duplicate Justin’s more advanced strumming techniques.

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Nate, I know that this is from your Aug. post, but wanted to add that I appreciate your frustration and hope that you were able to get help with this. I think this was one of the hardest modules in grade 3 and the most difficult riff practice. I spent a lot of time reading the comments on this in the community finding corrected tabs and watching the lesson at half speed. I worked on it a lot and recorded but I still didn’t get it completely correct. I have a little bit of undiagnosed ADHD, although meds I take for the BP help a little. I just have to carefully structure my practice to have some repetitive structure in small increments of 5 or 10 minutes like Justin recommends, but not too much structure so that I get bored and lose my focus. I have four different weeks of practice each month to keep it interesting. Hope you can set up your practice to optimize for your needs.

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I haven’t worked through the whole song yet. just the intro to this point. I can play it okay, but it’s something I’ve shelved for now as I work on other stuff. I pull it out occasionally and mess with it, so I’m not done with it by any stretch. I definitely notice that as I practice other things, I gain more control of my fingers and that helps me play it better. so even if I’m not working on it specifically, I’m still making progress by working on skills that I need to work on.

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Unfortunately, getting laid off from my job earlier this month is forcing me to put a halt to my private lessons. At least for now. We’ll see if I can recover from that enough to restart lessons before too long, but the job market is pretty rough here right now in the aftermath of Helene. We’ll see. I’ve been having some conversations with a former coworker about some possible entrepreneurial opportunities, but there are some hurdles that need to be overcome first.

I’ve run into a point with my playing that my left hand dexterity and control is my major impediment to progress. Last week my instructor gave me some exercises to work on for that, so I’ve been focusing on those primarily this week. I’ve got one more lesson with my private instructor before the end of the month (I pay monthly) so hopefully he gives me something fun to work on for my last lesson.

It’s not like I don’t have access to lesson material, either. Justin’s got some free stuff, but I also pay for some of his material. Given his reasonable annual fees, I am not likely to quit that, though I have found I’m not really using his app so I may cancel that one. I vastly prefer doing lessons on the website. I don’t pay a sub for lessons on TrueFire at all. I just purchase individual lessons as I want them, and I bought a bunch when they had a good sale awhile back. I have enough to keep me busy for months. Plus they’re running a free 10 week guitar bootcamp right now that I’m participating in. I’m using the beginner level modules to revisit material and mostly to reinforce things I’ve already done. There’s even new material every week, too, so that’s fine. So far that new material has mostly been on the theory side, but it’s been at a good level.

I also have the guitar jam group (and technically also the uke jam group my wife plays with sometimes, as they’re open to a variety of instruments. Recently someone even showed up with a snare drum. One guy brings a mandolin, and there are other people who show up with guitars.

I do find the guitar group to be difficult, though. I went to the supposed beginner-friendly monthly jam yesterday and it was vastly different than the one last month. Last month was great. This month I felt like the only beginner there. There are a few people who are prominent in the group who really seem like they’ve lost all track of what it means to be a beginner. Most of the stuff we played was in a packet of some of the worst photocopies I’ve seen. Most were completely handwritten, and it looks like they’ve been re-photocopied (from photocopies) since at least the 1980’s so they’re incredibly fuzzy. So much so that it’s often difficult to tell what basic open chord you’re supposed to play (such as G or D or C or A or whatever). That’s challenge number one. Thankfully some of the songs don’t go outside those basic open chords so there’s at least some material there that is approachable for me. But the songs that do stray from that beginner level do so HARD. It’s not like the person who put these together chose some songs that all use the same couple chords outside the basic open chords so those of us who are beginners get to have practice with them. No. They throw out songs where half or more of the chords are chords I don’t know well enough to use in a song. The song sheets RARELY have chord charts on them so I have to look them up. But I have no way to have more than 1 visible on my phone at a time, so a song that has half a dozen chords I need to look up before I start playing just doesn’t work. By the time I’ve looked up the chords I need, the group has just about finished a playthrough. And maybe they’ll do another. Or maybe not. Then they usually also have one or two chords I don’t know AT ALL. Or maybe there’s something in there that I know, but cannot use in a song yet (say, the B chord).

I’m okay with songs that have one or two chords in them that aren’t enormously prominent in the song, but I can play the rest of the song. I’ll just skip the chord I don’t know or I’ll play a muted strum or something. But when the chords I don’t know are pretty central to the song, I really feel like I’m not able to participate at any sort of enjoyable level. It absolutely came to a bit of a head yesterday on a couple of songs, though. One song got chosen on the fly. The guy leading it was all “you’ll have to learn a new chord” and then he passed out the song sheet. Lol. No, a full 3/4 of the song was stuff I didn’t know. Apparently I wasn’t the only one (thankfully) and someone chimed in and pushed the leader to choose a different song “so everyone can participate”. One lady (again, another prominent person in the group) pushed back. “Oh, you can do such-and-such and in a couple of playthroughs and you’ll have it.” I legitimately laughed out loud in the group at her and said loudly enough for everyone to hear that I’m an actual beginner and that maybe I’d be able to learn how to play that song in a few months if I worked on nothing else but that song.

Later on, the guy leading the group decided to have us all play a 12 bar blues. Okay, I have done enough blues that I at least know roughly what it is and have played a couple basic variations on it in online lessons I’ve done. But the kicker here is that we had nothing written down for it. We were expected to be able to do so from memory. And then two people (one of them being the lady from the other incident) had a little discussion about “how many bars of xxx” to play and all that, and that went back and forth enough that there was no way I was keeping track of that with nothing written down in front of me. The group then proceeded and the person leading the playing (not the guy who chose to do this in the first place) was calling out the chord changes. And that was appreciated. Unfortunately I’m beginner enough that I need more than a beat or two to think about the change that’s coming and to plan everything out. At least the rhythm is something I know, and so I just played muted strums the whole time. But come on…there are ways you can accommodate beginners for something like this, and they’re not doing it. At all. This group ostensibly has a “songbook” they provide in pdf on their website. But they’re not using it.

My wife’s ukulele group uses a songbook from ozbcoz.com that has something like 4,000+ songs in it. She’s been using the pdf on a tablet for awhile and that’s a bit of a pain to use. I recently learned about some songbook apps that make those things searchable and allow you to change keys and whatnot. So I did that and then loaded that songbook into it (ozbcoz.com also provides Chordpro files of each song, and I found a browser extension that allowed me to bulk download them all). The Songbook Pro app allows me to switch instruments, and it shows the chord charts for those instruments (and guitar is one of them). So I can load the files once and we can both use the same songbook. But this group uses no such things. Not even printing out copies of pdfs of the songs from its own songbook.

I was recently having a conversation with a guy who is dating a friend of my wife’s. He runs some online ukulele jams/lessons and my wife met him at a uke fest last year. We were jamming a bit and chatting and he said some stuff that this guitar group is exemplifying. He’s a pretty good musician, but when he does these big online jams, he chooses attainable songs and keeps the rhythms simple enough that tons of people can play. He does this completely on purpose because it’s supposed to be fun for everyone who’s participating, right? Even before starting the song, he’ll point out new or tricky chords and he demonstrates the strum they’ll use (and most of it is all the same strum, anyway). He shakes his head about guitarists in general, grumbling about how they don’t want to play with other people and they always try to overcomplicate things. He basically called out guitarists as tryhards. Now I don’t believe for a second that all guitarists are, and he doesn’t actually believe that, either. But the problem with this guitar group is that the people prominently running it are fitting his stereotype to a t. If the song circle gets big enough, enough of these folks show up, they’re in their own little worlds playing whatever TF they want to play, and drown out those of us who just want to play simple strums with the group. There were two guys sitting to my right who I’m pretty sure were more skilled than me, though probably not by a ton. They were there for simple strumming. I COULD NOT HEAR THEM over the two or three people playing wildly complicated stuff over everybody else (and also playing something different than each other such that it all mooshed together). On a number of the songs, I couldn’t really identify the rhythm. All I could figure out were the chord changes and I could only manage to play whole notes at best.

I’ve been trying to work through my head how I’m going to approach this situation. I don’t think changing these particular jam groups is going to work because there are people who enjoy exactly what they’re doing and trying to get them to dial it back is just going to piss people off. My goal is not to do to others what they’re essentially doing to me. What I want is for there to be a place for actual beginners. People like myself. People who aren’t even as far along in their journey as I am. The group’s advertising materials say they’re open to people who only just picked up a guitar. The song circles are not that. I’m going to have to create a separate beginner group. I think I’ll have to set it up much the way the ukulele jam group operates where no one person really runs it. Rather that everybody in the group contributes to choosing what they’ll do on any given day. So everybody can feel like they’re playing something at their level. But also setting some hard ground rules about not overcomplicating it. If you’re an advanced player who can’t just strum along in a basic 8th note rhythm (such as Justin’s “old faithful”) to play with the group, then go play with another group. I want to have as much of this figured out as possible so I can go to the group leadership with a solution rather than just complaining and demanding that they fix it. I think the biggest part of that is going to involve figuring out where to do this.

I hope I’m not coming off as whiny or whatever. It seems that my career path has ventured pretty hard into teaching (not music), so I’m extremely attuned to these things. I’m just very frustrated that a group that claims to be really open to beginners seems to have forgotten where beginners actually are in their skill development. Given that I teach mountain biking (among other things), it would be like saying your ride group is open to all abilities, even people who are brand new to mountain biking, but that group rides are run by fast, experienced riders who treat them like hammerfests and “drop” the people at the back of the group (in the middle of the woods) because they aren’t fast enough. There are actually ride groups like that, too. I want to provide solutions.

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There’s that old adage, ‘those who can’t do, teach’ and it’s always been bs. Teaching is a skill, and so is including people and adapting the way you do things for inclusivity. People make whole careers out of that stuff.

I have been reading online about the nightmarish state of the US job market, I really wish you luck in that endeavour also.

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This kind of behaviour is a problem and might cause people to give up entirely. You might consider suggesting to the leaders that a sub-group is formed for the people who feel frustrated, maybe run on a different night or in a different room on the same night depending on what the venue is like. That way it doesn’t look like you’re poaching members for your own group and would still give people the chance to graduate to the main group when they feel like it, or just sit in occasionally to see if they can make the jump and go back to the true beginners group if they need to.

The quality of the copied materials seems to be something that should be an easy and obvious fix.

Most people have good intentions and would be willing to change approach to be more inclusive. On the other hand the current leaders might just be selfish morons. You will find out which category you’re dealing with when you talk to them. If they’re in the latter category, you may have to start your own group, unfortunately.

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what I’m going to propose is a new sub-group that’s even more beginner-oriented than what they offer now, and that I would facilitate it. That way, I’m going to identify the problems I see (as a beginner) and then offer my own solution to it. That way, all they have to do is say “yes”. Could start simple and only do meetings during their monthly meeting breakouts. 1hr long and the location is already known so that would be less for me to figure out at first. If people like it, then we could look at another separate meet some other time during the month.

I’m really not in any kind of position to be teaching people much, but I suppose there are some super basic things I could pass on that I picked up from my own learning. Mostly what I would be doing is setting up the culture of this particular sub-group and setting a couple ground rules to make sure that more advanced players don’t come in and drown out the beginners (they’d be welcome to join and their knowledge would be much appreciated, but the expectation would be that they will dial back their playing to model simpler, beginner-friendly stuff). The group’s goal would be for everyone to play together, not for people to be self-indulgent at the expense of everyone else’s enjoyment.

Material quality should go without saying these days. Honestly how hard is it to take those horrible photocopies and just type them up in MS Word or Google Docs or whatever? At the most basic level. But there are much better tools out there, too. I’ve been playing with Songbook Pro lately and it’s incredibly cheap and easy to make these things even better. My wife has been working on learning “Crazy” by Patsy Cline (written by Willie Nelson) and had a hard time finding the chords in the right key. When she did, she still wanted to modify things to suit her ability level. So she was mentally editing the songsheet she found as she played it. Which sounds like a ridiculous amount of work. So I showed her Songbook Pro and she wrote out the song how she plays it. And now whenever I get to the point of playing some of the harder chords, I’ll be able to play with her. I’ve been playing “Horse With No Name” lately, too. I’m trying really hard to clean it up so I can play it nicely at full tempo. I checked the songbook that I downloaded for the song and it has it, but the chords are way different than what I play. I’m playing the chords that Justin teaches. So I think I’m going to write that version up and put it in there, too. That way I can share it at some point. I wrote it up in GuitarPro in TAB awhile back, but it turned out several pages long and is harder to play along with unless you’ve got it pulled up in a program that will scroll the page for you.

Honestly if they say yes, I’m going to start here with better quality materials. That uke jam in the next county over, just about everybody shows up with a tablet or laptop to pull up songs. In this guitar group, very few people do that, and several people carry around huge binders full of printed pages. If anything, the uke group skews older on average, too (mostly because they just have fewer younger folks in the group). It’s such a weird thing.

I’d probably also work on some tidy materials showing things like some of the easier 12 bar blues progressions so folks could have something to look at when someone somewhere else wants to play that and doesn’t really offer any materials of their own. I also have Guitar Pro and can make up pdfs of stuff in TAB (which apparently a lot of people in this group who are far more advanced players than I have no idea how to read/use). I kinda feel like I need to put some very clean TAB formatted stuff out there so folks can learn to use it.

And maybe if I push harder for better quality materials, other people in the group will start using them.

If their response is negative and they want nothing to do with it, then I’m not going to bother with creating a whole new group at this point. I think I’d probably ask for my annual membership dues in return, also. Less because I need them to get by (they’re minimal) but more to make a point. I’ll just go jam with a very welcoming ukulele (and others) group the next county over. Honestly what I want to do is modeled after what they’re already doing, anyway. I’d probably join in with my friend’s online jam, too. My wife casts it onto the TV most weeks already. I guess for that matter I should look more closely at Justin’s different live online programs, too.

absolutely true about that stupid old adage about teaching. honestly there are a number of things that are even more difficult to teach if you can’t do them to start with. That’s absolutely true with mountain bike instruction. In fact, the training certification programs at higher levels have riding skills assessments for instructors IN ADDITION TO the assessments on your ability to teach the material. If you can’t demonstrate a skill, how are you supposed to teach it?

The US job market is a weird monster. It’s really good in some respects. Certain jobs/professions have more jobs than workers, so workers have a lot of power when it comes to pay and whatnot. On the other hand, some professions have more workers than jobs, so workers get treated as disposable because there’s always someone else who’s desperate for the job and willing to do any crap tasks or be treated poorly. It’s really rough locally because we’re still in disaster recovery mode. There are still communities cut off because the roads are gone.

I’d be totally open to relocating internationally simply for job opportunities (I started collecting the things I needed to make that as easy as possible back in 2010 or so) if it wasn’t for the fact that doing that would be much harder for my wife. She’s a veterinarian and has to navigate professional licensure, accreditation, and whatnot. About the only country where it wouldn’t be so bad for her to work would be Canada because of some reciprocity between Canadian licensing and US licensing. Going there would involve the same kind of assessment she has to take to work in a different US state. As a dual citizen myself, it would be incredibly easy for me to relocate there. It’d certainly solve my health care problems. I just haven’t found the right opportunity to make such a huge move worthwhile for the both of us.

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If it doesn’t work out you might simply join the wife’s uke group. You would still get the benefit of playing with others and getting rhythm’s down (which is the most important part of playing).

I found this on YT on how to use your guitar as a uke. Simple as putting a capo on 5th fret and not playing the low E and A it seems. This would depend on what uke tuning the group uses though but you should be able to find a place to put the capo whatever tuning they use and maybe retuning the odd string here and there. To mute the low E and A you could loosely tie an elastic band around them so they don’t ring out then you you don’t have to worry too much about strumming them by accident

Hope something works out on the job front. Good luck

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=ukulele+tuning+to+work+with+guitar&mid=6FDDC65E63A9201322C76FDDC65E63A9201322C7&FORM=VIRE

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