Neural DSP: John Mayer Archetype

Looks insanely cool! I will probably try it out when the price drops a bit (around the same as others, ~120 euros)! Neural DSP does amazing things with software!

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It seems like a huge release that made a lot of John Mayer fans talk on youtube. I may get it one day but now I still have the Tone King and Morgan plugins that I need to learn how to dial with my Stratocaster :slightly_smiling_face:

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I was looking at those too waiting for a discount :grimacing: Using DAW and headphones makes my neighbors happy, ahah

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I just watched the demo video and it looks insanely cool! It’s definitely on my ‘wait until the next Black Friday’ discount list, but then I have to decide if I want that or the Mixwaves Manuel Gardner Fernandes plugin.

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I cant understand why anyone would pay a couple of hundred bucks for essentially, a few limited signal chains


Well, doesn’t a single new pedal cost 200€? :slight_smile: Here you get 3 amps (the pedals are not that important) and pre and post processing, no?

My thoughts on this are backed up by a recent John Cordy video where he more or less recreates the sounds of this plugin using a Helix (which is admittedly already an expensive bit of kit). He gets pretty close - I think the main points he makes are (i) yes it’s a great sound (ii) you can get pretty darn close with other tools (iii) you are saving yourself some time in buying this plugin if it’s the sound you want.

Personally I like the tones, but they are not unique and for me at least not worth the money. This from someone who plays a QC live - I like Neural DSP as a company, I think they have done and are doing some amazing things and they have looked after me well when I’ve needed help from them. They just released a Dumble ODS model in their latest free QC update and it’s my go to amp on that unit now.

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No, it doesnt


And, also, we are talking about a PC based modelling solution, rather than a physical pedal.

You can get complete suites of modelling plugins which, if Mr Cordy and Mr Shull are right, could give you all the tools you need to recreate these tones, and for far less money.

Examples:

Amplitube 5 - Currently on sale for €49.99
Guitar Rig 7 Pro - ÂŁ179
Scuffham S-Gear - ÂŁ119
Tonelib GFX - $62.97
Guitarix or Rakarrack (Linux) - Free

Cheers,

Keith

Let me elaborate my answer :slight_smile:

For me that I am a beginner, who lives in an apartment, having the possibility to play with a DAW is very appealing, as I get great sound quality in headphones. If I consider a pedal like the JHS Morning Glory, I easily reach 200€. With amp simulation, I get also compression, reverb, delay.

I completely agree with the Amplitube-like solution, but NeuralDSP is selling a ready-to-use solution, very appealing for beginners like me :slight_smile: It removes some frustration given by the learning curve and makes it easier to practice. That said, I am currently using LogicPro (free trial to see if it is worth upgrading from GarageBand) and NAM, and I am a loving it! I am just missing the effects.

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Hey Fabrizio,

Thanks for elaborating on your setup. I too went the software/ digital route a few years ago, and settled on S-Gear, a great versatile suite with sublime tones to be had.

The feedback you’re getting here on Neural DSP Archetype is in the spirit of helpfulness; and perhaps to expose you to other options for consideration, based on our personal experiences.

The list @Majik provided are some examples of well known suites that are considerably more comprehensive, cost effective, and somewhat future-proof.
All come with presets of all sorts, and many have additional quality presets from experienced players in their communuties. So you dont need to start tweaking knobs right at the beginning.

They also give you full control of the amps and effects, and in the long run, are a beneficial learning environnent for you to create your own sounds.
All the best in whatever path you choose. Enjoy.

Cheers, Shane

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Thanks @sclay and @Majik! I apologize if my previous answer sounded harsh, it was not my intention :slight_smile:

What I meant is that for a beginner like me, this is an appealing solution because it is a preset I don’t have to touch and I can study, and learn from it! And I totally agree that it’s a high price for the limited flexibility, but I guess it is the compromise you get between ready-to-go and build-it-yourself (kinda like Linux v.s. MacOS, for instance).
Thank you for pointing to the Amplitube deal! It looks very promising, and it is worth 50 euros just to try it! Thanks again for all the suggestions, I sincerely appreciate your feedback :slight_smile:

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I think this pretty much nails it. It’s been that way for most of the NeuralDSP stuff as far as I can tell. Sounds great, quite pricey but nice if you don’t mind splashing the cash. There’s clearly a market because people keep buying their stuff.

If you’re a Mayer fan, or love his tone (and it is a great tone) - seems like an easy way to get it rather than figuring out how to tweak another platform in the few precious hours of leisure time you have.

I haven’t used all of those, but Guitar Rig sounded gross out of the box last time I tried it, Amplitube was better but still nothing vs the better modellers. Very configurable stuff that can assumedly be made to sound good, but there is a market for “get the sound instantly” that NeuralDSP target.

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