Patience [1/3] by Guns N' Roses Lesson

Song Lessons Grade 3 Songs
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Thanks for the replies, Ken

My thought would be that the opposite may have happened. You are right that people do respond inappropriately to some critical feedbacks, and then my suggestion would be to ignore it and leave it to the Mods to deal (we do the best we can to manage such misbehaviour).

Richard has answered many of the specifics already related to the App, the TABs subscription, and the way in which this lesson is presented in three parts.

This may be helpful, maybe not … perhaps it would be helpful to share some recordings of your playing. I know you said you’d played before but getting a better sense of your playing, songs you’ve got under the fingers, etc may help us to provide more practical help.

My sense is that you looking for more than just grade 1 & 2 strumming to songs in the App and not yet at a level to be able to learn from a lesson series like Patience that is pitched at a more advanced level where Justin provides guidance and expects people to also figure out some of the application themselves. If you watch the lessons for the songs he recommends for beginners I think you’d find his approach is a little different.

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You will also find that within some of the song lessons categorised for Grade 1 and 2, Justin will start off with approach for beginner but also cover approach for more advanced player. That way you can learn the song at a beginner level and as you progress go back to the song and learn the more advanced approach.

Also if there are any parts of the lessons or song lessons that anyone doesn’t quite comprehend the forum is a perfect place to say “hi… I’m having trouble with this… can you help me out?” Since I’ve joined the community I’ve been amazed how responsive the members have been answering questions and sharing their knowledge.

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The song is not in one of the JG songbooks. On the new website you can filter by songbook and before each song video the opening frame usually gives you the songbook. I find the old songbook list useful Justin Guitar SongList | free guitar lesson from justinguitar.com as when looking at the list on my phone I can scroll down without having to continuously click see more. It would be useful for the new song list to be able to filter by module and not just grade.

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Is there anywhere I can get the arpeggiating pattern for the song Patience? I’ve slowed the video down as slow as it goes and I just can’t get it. Does anyone have it written down?

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Justin provides this information in the song lesson in the Tab section. It part of JustinGuitarTABS which is behind a paywall but a good purchase in supporting all the free lessons he provides.

:sunglasses:

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Yes, I subscribed to that. I’m looking for a written version. I can’t tell what strings he’s plucking on the video

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The TAB is in the lesson on the website and shows what to pick. Easier than watching his fingers in a video. :sunglasses:

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Ah man, Thank you. My wife printed it out and she didn’t realize there were 18 pages. I appreciate your help

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A question about a chord version of this song, for the verse:

I have been practicing Patience for quite a while now. I’m in the middle of grade 2, so still a real beginner. I can play most of the easier parts and I’m not trying to do the solo parts. So just playing the song, I can do it very slowly, including picking the single notes in the verse (very slowly with a lot of thought!).

I didn’t know this song until I followed Justin’s lesson, but I like it a lot. So I would like to try singing and playing along to this song, rather than just playing. I can already play some simple songs strumming and singing (Brown eyed girl - Morrison, One - U2, This years love - David Gray, Put your lights On - Santana/Everlast, and a few more). I can also sing and do finger style of Everybody Hurts - REM.

My problem with Patience is that playing the verse, as Justin describes, by picking single notes is going to be too difficult while singing at the same time. So I thought perhaps it could be possible to learn a simple version using chords instead for the verse. I know that’s not as nice as picking the individual notes, but I am realistic that it’s going to be a very long time (years?) before I can automatically pick the notes and sing at the same time.

Can anyone suggest how to do a chord only version of the verse?

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This depends how simple you want to go.

The verse is basically 2 bars each of C G A D all repeated twice. The original recording is a half step down so it’s those chord shapes but the actual notes are C flat, G flat etc

You can play through with a really simple strumming pattern and for some variety mix in D sus2 and sus4 if you can manage that and sing (I can’t). Playing the two D bars as something like D D Ds2 D Ds4 D Ds2 D (this pattern roughly covers both bars, don’t try to play it all twice) - I’m still playing around with this which is why I say something like it not exactly it

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Thanks Matt for your suggestion. I’ll try that and see how it goes. I think what you suggest is about as ambitious as I can get if I want to try and sing along too.

I’ll still keep practicing the more correct version picking single notes in the verse when not singing and hopefully some day, I can increase the tempo!

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I am really confused about how to play the chords for this song, based on what Justin shows in these 2 videos and what’s then written in the chords section (the written out chords are only available in the payed TABs section which I am aware that not everyone has access to). I’m posting an edited version of my previous post on this because I realised I wasn’t very clear in my initial post and I didn’t get very helpful responses (probably because of my poor explanations).

Context: I’m trying to play this song, but playing individual notes is a bit difficult for me if I want to sing as well. I’m not giving up on picking the single notes but for playing and singing this song, it would be fine to just do a chord version. However, I’m really a bit confused by the chords given by Justin in the paid section for this underneath Patience (1/3) and Patience (2/3) and what Justin actually says in the videos. These are the issues and it concerns the verse and the outro:

Note: Where I note the chords, I’m referring to the chords that Justin gives in the paid TABs section below the video which i know not everyone has access to.

  1. In the lesson Patience (1/3) in the paid access chords tab below, it shows this chord progression for the verse

C C G/B G

A A D D

But in the video, Justin shows a C with a B bass. So which should it be? C with a B bass or G with a B bass? Help!!! If it’s a G over a B, how do you play that? It’s not shown in the video. Perhaps this was just typing mistake in the Chords tab?

  1. In the video for Patience (1/3) Justin says that the outro is just G then D repeated, except right at the end where there’s also an F barre. However, in the paid chords tab, there’s a D over F# (D/F#) which he never explains in this video. Fortunately, I worked that one out because he does explain it in the video for Patience (2/3). So I think I’m Ok on that one.
  2. Now looking at the paid chords tab to Patience (2/3) has left me completely confused because the verse is now written

F F C/E C
D D G G

rather than

C C G/B G

A A D D

It doesn’t make any sense and Justin isn’t playing that chord progression in the video.

Is this a mistake?

  1. Then in the paid chords tab to lesson Patience (2/3) , the Outro is written:

G G/B C C

rather than

G G D/F# D

Again this is different to what he shows in the video and completely inconsistent with what’s shown in the paid chords section of session Patience (1/3).

So I’m really confused.

An additional confusion is that the tuning for this song is half a step down, but this isn’t mentioned in the video either unless I missed that.

Perhaps one of the instructors @Richard_close2u or @LievenDV might have time to explain?

Sorry for all my questions and rather complicated post but I’m really confused but I would like to nail this one. Thanks in advance for any help / explanations !!!

Ian

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Tabs for Eb tuning and E standard are exactly the same the only difference is the pitch of the guitar.

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Well that makes it even more confusing then because the TABs for those 2 lessons are completely different then.

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hi @Prof_Thunder

Thanks for pointing this out.
No need to apologize for asking questions. I like questions

I did a bit of editing in your previous post, based on the new topic you creating, rephrasing your question. I don’t like double posting :smiley:

Bottom line is that

  • there seems to be a mismatch in the video and chord/tabs. I’ll have to take a close look to create a bit of inventory of the mismatches and a call from Justin on what to do with this
  • This song was on my list of “songs to learn one day”, perhaps I take a look at it sooner so I can share my own insights and interpretation
  • usually, when a guitar is tuned to Eb, we often still speak of the original grips to avoid unnecessary complexity. I suppose in this case, you are playing regular C, G etc. grips but the guitar is tuned in Eb instead of E…
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Hi @LievenDV

Thank you for your reply. Yes I would be very grateful if you can take a look and then let me know.

Yes I’m playing the regular C G grips but with the guitar down tuned half a step.

Cheers, Ian

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@Prof_Thunder

Several comments are needed to answer your questios / address your concerns.
The first is to direct you to this topic to report errors or problems with the tab provided in the subscription service.

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Initially, let’s remove the slash chords giving:

| C | C | G | G |

| A | A | D | D |

Straight forward chords. You can play C and G as regular shapes or stuck 3 & 4, you can ignore the sus embellishments all around, and you can strum the chords instead of adding an arpeggiated picking pattern.

Let’s look at the slash chord confusion over C/B and G/B.

Open position grips:

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Stick 3&4 grips:

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For both C and G chords, if played as a slash chord with B in the bass, that bass note is on the A string at fret 2.

Open position grips for C/B and G/B based on the open grips above:

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Stuck 3&4 grips for C/B and G/B:

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NOTE
These two grips are identical. I have shown the open D string as muted in the C chord version to be consistent with the C/B associated with the open position grip. That note could be included as there is also a D in the chord grip at fret 3 of the B string. Because, strictly speaking, the stuck 3&4 C chord - and this slash chord variation - are Cadd9 chords. I am calling them ‘C’ chords here for the sake of simplicity.

NOTE
The C/B grip as shown does not actually contain a root note. There is no C on the A string nor on the B string. Arguably, it is completely wrong to call this a C chord. Period. However, if the underlying harmonic structure of the song has this chord grip being played immediately after a C major type of chord, and it is used only in passing (which it is, as Justin mentions in the lesson), then it is seen as sitting within the C-chord framework. Especially if other instruments are also playing notes and chords that give the overall sound of ‘C’.

A supplementary comment on the chord G/B. It is often played and / or shown on chord diagrams as being a 4-string chord only. The bass note is B. The root note is the open G string.

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Is there a G/B in the verse. With all of the arpeggiation that takes place across multiple guitar parts, this chord may be heard either on one guitar or as a composite of notes from multiple guitars. The underlying chord is simply G. If you want to try playing with B in the bass then go for it. It may work or you may not like it.

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It is a mistake.
To correct it you simply need to use the TRANSPOSE button at the top. Click the - button five times and it will put the chords back where they belong.

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Richard,

Thank you very much for your detailed explanations. It’s really helpful and reading it, it now makes a lot of sense. I will have to read it carefully again to make sure I understood and then try it on the guitar. I’ll try it tonight!

Much appreciated!

Thanks a lot, Ian