Should the thorny subject of AI be allowed?

An AI hallucination is an instance where an artificial intelligence system—most commonly a large language model—generates false, misleading, or completely fabricated information while presenting it as an absolute fact. This can include making up fake case citations, inventing historical details, or citing non-existent web links with total confidence.
Just wanted to clear the air that its a true term. My hats off to you and all others that help fact check and report. I truly think its misinformation that starts distress…two different realities. My comment was not meant to be abusive or offensive only informative just as the earlier discussion regarding energy consumed by the technology.
With that i bow out of the discussion in general as i totally misunderstood what this whole community hub was designed to discuss. I apologize to all who took offense and will stay over on the lesson side of the site.

It’s fine, no one took offense, and nothing you did or said would warrant anyone taking offense.

On the question of AI hallucinations - I’m well aware of the recent application of this old term to the generation of incorrect information by LLMs. The reason I think it is a misnomer is that it implies some sort of subjective experience, and I am not yet at the point of accepting that AI systems actually have any experience at all. It was an unfortunate choice of term, because there is already a parallel scenario well known in the cognitive sciences, which is the generation of incorrect information by humans, apparently without conscious direction or awareness of its falsity, but in response to prompts from other parties or simply the situation around them. This is called confabulation. In other words, the perfect word already existed, but AI pundits chose to misapply another term which had heretofore been used quite differently.

Such is the aleatory evolution of language I suppose.

Seems to be a very controversial topic. :woman_shrugging:

I have to say that I really love AI !

American Idiot“ is one of Green Day‘s best albums, one of the finest records ever made, I‘d say.
More than 20 years old now, and it hasn‘t aged a day.
It is a brilliant punk-rock masterpiece driven by memorable riffs and powerful lyrics, marking a significant moment in rock history.
Songwriting at its best.

Every time I read about AI, it reminds me of all my favourite songs from this album and brings back very dear memories.

I’m a huge fan, here‘s to AI :+1: :party_popper: :guitar: :heart:

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Whereas farmers think of something else entirely. :cow:

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Should the subject of AI be allowed? Yes. AI adjacent things like ez-drummer, loops in a DAW, backing tracks that we really don’t know if they are AI in whole or in part, and anything similar should be allowed as well.

Some pretty good tips here for using AI from a pro songwriter. I’m working toward applying more of his processes:
What A Hit Songwriter Actually Does With Suno AI

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Its all just clarity through Obfuscation. Glad no offense was taken as unfortunately I am in the race horse turn of life, strong minded yet weak in the art of softening thoughts. On the plus side, one will always know where I stand on subjects. So carry on and best to all.
A side note off topic, there is an interesting read from a former Think Tank\philosopher guy who wrote a book called " Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work". I think you, Mark and maybe others, might quite like the read and is actually fitting on the whole A.I. subject and how it might impact our lives today and perhaps qualify some of my thoughts and earlier comments.
To i believe what is your original question: Art\Music is created from passion and therefore we weigh in heavily on things that impact this. Is cutting and pasting past recording sound bites together really music. Is digital art an offense to those that paint with brush and canvas.
So like religion and politics it will always fire people up. We can discuss and be civil but also must be willing to accept opposing points of view. I was floored to read where Thomas Dolby, long time master of creating studio sound nuances (who really decides a cricket chirp needs to be deeply embedded within a saturated layered song) would be all for A.I. created music, but that was his stance.
One thing for sure, its here, everything from my toothbrush to space shuttles is marketed with it. We are told we need therefore we will get it like or not. So do we hide our heads in the sand or bring out in the light and beat it to death and see where the chaff lays or just “shut up and play you guitar” - Thanks for that Frank R.I.P.

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It doesn’t surprise me at all that the “Customers who viewed this item also viewed” list on Amazon included Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance: 40th Anniversary Edition : Pirsig, Robert: Amazon.com.au: Books.

yeah he got fed up with the think tank life quite and opened a small engine motorcycle repair shop. I did the same, 30 years of writing edi code for 80% of fortune 500 and Federal Reserve, Microsoft Biz Talk copied us.
One day I said “I don’t really care anymore if the Kiwi leaves the docks in New Zealand” so i retired early. We were in the height of commodity throw away junk and was in the process of trying to restore an old 77 harley shovelhead. I could no longer get reliable parts so i married the two things and opened a machine shop behind my house, hence MadMetal. I became the neighborhood fix guy and grew into corporate items and finally installation art and historic repairs. Old school knowledge is something i hold dear and those generations that knew are now gone. Those stupid old trade guys knew linear geometry, trig, parametric equations and physics on the back of there hand. Now we need an app for that. Somewhere along the line that book popped up in my reading and honestly cant say why. It really has nothing to do with fixing bikes though…lol

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I haven’t read the whole thing, I find it a bit boring. Unfortunately?, we’re not going to escape AI anyway, and soon we won’t even be able to tell what’s AI-generated and what isn’t (including in this thread :rofl:), so… as Z said…

And that’s why we love to strum, at least that’s still real!
With love :heart:

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And just after my Rock ‘n’ Roll message… wouldn’t the easiest solution simply be to ask people to mention when they’ve used AI or not?

I refer anyone arriving recently to the AI discussion in the Community to this announcement … A Note on AI from the JustinGuitar Team

AI is allowed.
AI discussion needs to be polite.

1. Please be upfront about AI use in music creation.

2. Keep it as human as possible!

3. Keep it respectful!

4. Please, no AI-bashing!

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AI Community Guidelines

1. Please be upfront about AI use in music creation.

◦ As AI becomes increasingly integrated into everyday software, we don’t expect members to disclose every instance of AI assistance in posts.

However, when sharing musical content in the Community (such as songs, performances, or recordings), please keep the focus on your own human playing and creativity. AI-generated recordings and performances are not what this space is intended for.

2. Keep it as human as possible!

◦ This Community is about your journey, your sound, and your growth. Purely AI-generated work doesn’t fit here because it sidesteps the hard-earned progress we’re all making!

3. Keep it respectful!

◦ AI is a hot topic, and people will have different opinions. That’s fine! Just keep the discussion respectful. If things get heated or uncomfortable, reach out to a moderator. :slight_smile:

4. Please, no AI-bashing!

◦ Not everyone knows our AI policy yet! If you see a post that goes against it, don’t attack the poster, just let a moderator know. We’ll handle it. Let’s keep things positive!

Moderators will use these guidelines when reviewing posts and may edit or remove content that doesn’t align with our community’s goals. If you don’t like a post because AI was involved, you can just scroll past it! No need to call it out or bring negativity into the mix.

Let’s keep this community focused on making music, learning, and supporting each other. Play on & stay kind. :slight_smile:

Cheers,
JustinGuitar Team

****** UPDATE JULY 2026 : Our AI policy is currently under review.

We know AI is a divided topic, and people have different feelings about it. Some embrace it, some don’t, and others are still figuring out where they stand. That’s okay. We’re aware of the evolving discourse around it.

Like many digital organizations, the JustinGuitar team uses AI at our discretion as one of many tools to help us do our jobs. We’re a small team supporting a large community, and our mission has always been to make guitar learning accessible to everyone.

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AI is allowed by our current Guidelines and I personally see no reason why it shouldn’t.

To respond to Mark’s concern my point of view is that AI is a tool and as such it’s neither good nor bad, it’s the way we humans use it to be good or bad.

We have a responsability toward the new generation to help them develop a critical thinking not to fall into AI hands but to keep AI in their own hands…keeping the discussion alive is not only good, it’s necessary.

I believe AI doesn’t have the power to divide people in itself, but people they can make conscious choices whether being divided or not: pointing out the good and the bad sides of AI doesn’t mean to be divided and it’s in my view both desiderable and beneficial that we keep doing it. Whether we look at it as an ally or an enemy we need to look straight into its eyes and know it from inside…but again it’s not in its nature to be our ally or enemy…it’s up to us to make it such; for sure it’s a great challenge for the human kind.

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I totally agree with you on this.

Like a lot of things made to make life easier humans will find away to distroy each other with it and only a few will benefit from it.
This is not AI bashing it’s human nature and a fact.

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It’s human nature then, what people are duscussing as a main subject, not AI. There are a lot of ways to destroy eachother, but I don’t wish to get further in that.

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