I’m not entirely sure that’s true. I’m sure many high end jobs will vanish soon but there are many lower paid jobs that will easily go too - drivers are the obvious example, help desks, phone support lines, tele sales, warehouse operators.
I think a lot depends on the speed robotics improve and cheapen - Tesla Optimus is already pretty impressive and Tesla is creating a 1M unit/year production line now, with a commercial launch in 2026.
You don’t need robots to replace educated people you just need computers and cheap technology.
It’s still cheaper to build a truck and hire a driver than build a self driving truck.
It is easy to replace an accountant (for example) I own my own buisiness and between my accounting program and company credit card all I need the accountant for is to know the new tax laws. She does all my personal and company taxes in about an hour each year. I’m sure I could replace with a smarter accounting program.
Covid showed us many students do better learning from computers(not all) what was missing most was the interaction with other students not the interaction with their teachers.
Once AI becomes standard practice in law think of all the over paid lawyers that will be out of work.
They are already doing remote control surgery in Canada where the surgeon isn’t in the same province as the patient. All they need now is AI to replace the surgeon, it’s already assisting them.
Any job you can think of that takes a well educated person AI is already doing/assisting with. But labor jobs are still cheaper to be done by humans. Although that is changing rapidly and will only speed up as more robot/self driving machine are built.
I honestly think it’s happening across the full spectrum of employment - some jobs are easier to replace than others - some low end manual jobs such are warehouse staff are going, and as you say some desk based jobs too. I don’t think it will be many years before any job could be replaced with a combination of AI and Robotics.
My daughter is an actor, I hope you’re right but I fear you are not.
Many years ago, when Tesla was in it’s infancy I admired the man. I now think he’s the perfect example of why so much power and money should not be controlled by a single person or company.
I think that this thread has deviated significantly from Mark’s @MarkPeters original post, which if I understood correctly was about whether AI will have a detrimental effect on human musical creativity.
I remember visiting a few engineering factories 20+ years ago and you had one where there was only one warehouse operator whose job was to plug in the robots to recharge them when they went to their docking stations and another where they still did everything by hand e.g. glass blowing.
It wouldn’t surprise me now with the advances in animation that actors and actresses become a thing of the past if it means film studios can cut the expenses down to make more profit.
@Majik
I have seen this sort of video of Ocado robots before and looks very impressive.
However we had our regular delivery from Ocado this morning and what we have established is that the groceries are packed by hand in Birmingham travel overnight to Leeds and put in a van and delivered to Washington at 10am
Michael
Let’s keep on going out there to live concerts…no matter how much big or small the stage or the artist is…
Let’s keep on bringing our arms up to sky, stomp, jump and make a wild irresponsable use of our voice while singing along…
Let’s make the people on stage aware that we’re connecting…
Let’s keep on learning to play the guitar…
Let’s make sure we pass on to the new generations all the good principles we believe in and help them to build their sense of human pride…
…nothing too bad is going to happen to music!
Thank you for the reminder @Silvia
I followed your sage advice and travelled down to Chester to attend a gig in a church where a friend of mine was supporting (and also playing with) the Igloo Hearts at their debut album launch. Fab music. Fab crowd
In the vein of @Richard_close2u’s ‘reasonable discussion’ I was very pleased to hear this morning that this year’s BBC Reith Lectures are being given by @roger_holland’s countryman Rutger Bergman.
I very rarely read a book, but I did read Bergman’s Utopia for Realists when it came out some years ago, and I was so pleased to find someone expressing my thoughts in print, and done in such a calm, rational and dare I say, optimistic way.
I gather he will be exploring the topics of UBI, holding large business to account and AI.
I’m really looking forward to it
I presume it’s only available to those with access to BBC iPlayer, presuming it still exists and hasn’t gone into administration to pay for damages in the current debacle… (I’ll stop there, Richard )
Here’s the link:
I thought I was pretty clear that I was talking specifically about AI and music, not image generation or supposedly self-driving cars. I certainly wasn’t making broad prognoses on the effect of AI on society, about which I am much less sanguine. Perhaps my slightly flippant tone raised some hackles? When I first posted on AI in this forum, I was privately warned that I was kicking a hornets’ nest. Overall, though the thread wandered, there have been several thoughtful responses.
Anyway, am I right to conclude that we generally agree nothing is going to take away our opportunity or will to learn music, play instruments, write songs and occasionally perform for others?
@Prof_Thunder, the article is behind a paywall, but I agree with the title. The AI discussion reminds me of so many discussions I’ve had over the past 30-40 years on a number of different topics. Some young poet/balladeer a while back sang something about the times changing.
The article is not behind a paywall. Guardian articles are free to read on a web browser ( but not their app). However you will get pop up windows asking for a donation or to register or to take out a subscription. You can close these but it’s not always obvious and does look like a paywall, but it isn’t.
Without wanting to get political and having my post deleted by Richard @Richard_close2u , The Guardian newspaper is now the only British national newspaper that is not privately owned by some rich media tycoon and it’s supported on a voluntary basis by the readers.
Excerpt from an article in the Guardian, December 10:
King Gizzard removed their music from Spotify in July in a protest against the company’s chief executive Daniel Ek, who is the chair of military technology company Helsing as well as a major investor.
Clearly attempting to fill the void, earlier this month a new artist appeared on Spotify called King Lizard Wizard, featuring AI-generated takes on the band’s psychedelic rock, identical song titles, and AI-generated artwork that weakly imitated the band’s fantastical album sleeves.
Pure, greedy, non-artistic robbery, brought to you by the investment bankers and billionaire tech bros. Real musicians be damned. My apologies to any investment bankers or billionaire tech bros on the forum.