Vintage Club #19 with Richard | Ideas for Playing with Two or More Guitars

Yes.
If you start at the key of C and play the chord shapes that match the capo movement and the Roman numerals then you remain in the starting key of C.

No. It is they key of C.
Which is the point of this chart.

They sound the same because they are the same chords. They have different voicings and access to some higher pitched notes, so they are separated in pitch and timbre.

Only if you started with the key of C.

If you start somewhere else, say the key of E, and move the capo then all remains in the key of E.

ONE HOUR FOLKS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X063NxyTm4g

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Ah now it’s clear to me, Richard thank you for this explanation.

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Sorry am I missing something, the link takes me to VC18 Triads in the Blues?

Hi Craig, This link works for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X063NxyTm4g

Thamks Judi that seems to work :scream:

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Thanks for the club tonight @Richard_close2u and my apologies for dipping out early, I was unwell. I’m looking forward to catching up with the recording.

Couldn’t make it this evening. Will the VC stream be available on catch up ?

It’s already live on the toobs Tony! :slight_smile:

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Hi Richard,
How nice to see that so many people are watching live (couple of times I see 119 people at the same time), that really surprised me… I have no idea how busy it with the others are, but maybe it comes from a lifetime of teaching and your voice has an effect on me anyway almost meditative …

It’s a bit of a shame that the "promised "chaos didn’t happen :roll_eyes: :sweat_smile:,

But it’s very nice that I didn’t learn anything yesterdayI flew through quite a few lessons in the course years ago and I’m always very happy when I see an older lesson (or in this case something that is already is covered somewhere else) look back and I see learned it well…that is very nice for me so I enjoyed watching and go to sleep with a smile :smiley:

Greetings

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Dutchy can be a harsh critic :wink: :rofl:

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:see_no_evil:
No No No
Don’t take out the context…bad brian bad Brian… This is of course a compliment for this site/course :sunglasses:

I actually wanted to add about the " Bit Reggae bit
style "Richard … that you had to do upstums there :blush: … do you remember this topic that you even created after a wrong advice from me to some people Reggae Rhythm … Down or Up?

Greetings

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As promised in the Q&A at the end, here is a follow up to Mike’s question.
Mike

Example 1

A progression in the key of F using the I, IV and V chords.

||:    F    |    Bb   |    C    |    Bb   :||

||:    I    |    IV   |    V    |    IV   :||

Let’s begin with the tonic chord of F major and assume that it is being played with an E-shape barre chord at fret 1. That means we can play it with a capo replacing the barre at fret 1. Thus, when we begin to use the Capo Conversion Chart, we take the key of E as our starting point.

All three chords are highlighted in yellow.
With capo at fret 1, the chord progression has become:

||:  E-shape  |  A-shape |  B-shape  |  A-shape :||

||:     I     |     IV   |     V     |     IV   :||

On the Capo Conversion Chart we have this starting position. Remember, we are in the key of F and we remain in the key of F. We are merely viewing things as though in the key of E and we have the capo already in place on fret 1 to correspond with that perspective.

We have replaced the need to play an E-shape barre chord for F major with the need to play an A-shape barre chord for C. Perhaps that is not a good result. Plus, of course, it achieves no separation in sound from a guitar playing those chords in the first few frets. For both of those reasons we can now decide to move clockwise around the chart and find a set of chords we like, we are confident playing and that provide some tonal separation in the two guitar parts.


Here are two options with two moves.

We can make one clockwise move, taking the capo up an additional two frets. The capo moves to fret 3.
1 + 2 = 3

The chord progression now becomes:

||:  D-shape  |  G-shape |  A-shape  |  G-shape :||

||:     I     |     IV   |     V     |     IV   :||

We can continue and go an additional two frets with the capo, placing it at fret 5 now.
1 + 2 + 2 = 5

The chord progression now becomes:

||:  C-shape  |  F-shape |  G-shape  |  F-shape :||

||:     I     |     IV   |     V     |     IV   :||

The F-shape could be played as a mini-barre or an Fmaj7 so long as it sounds good.


One further move could be made, taking the capo three further frets beyond the current position.
1 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 8
It may start to become awkward playing with a capo so far along the neck. For that reason I have not included it in the highlighted chord shapes on the chart. If, however, you try it and can manage it, the chord progression now becomes:

||:  A-shape  |  D-shape |  E-shape  |  D-shape :||

||:     I     |     IV   |     V     |     IV   :||

Example 2

A progression in the key of Eb (yes, E flat … YUK) using the I, IV, V and vi chords. The Axis of Awesome progression.

||:    Eb   |    Bb   |    Cm    |    Ab   :||

||:    I    |    V    |    vi    |    IV   :||

Firstly, lets acknowledge that to any beginner guitarist, that chord progression is an imposing spectre of horrors Good grief. But hey, somebody might be able to play it and they ask you to accompany them as a second guitarist. So, here goes.

Let’s begin with the tonic chord of Eb major and assume that it is being played with an A-shape barre chord at fret 6. Yes, that places it exactly between D and E on the 5th string! :slight_smile:
That means we can play it with a capo replacing the barre at fret 6 and forming an A-shape open position type chord grip. Thus, when we begin to use the Capo Conversion Chart, we take the key of A as our starting point.

All four chords are highlighted in yellow.
With capo at fret 6, the chord progression has become:

||:  A-shape  |  E-shape | F#m-shape |  D-shape :||

||:     I     |     V    |     vi     |    IV   :||

On the Capo Conversion Chart we have this starting position. Remember, we are in the key of E flat and we remain in the key of E flat. We are merely viewing things as though in the key of A and we have the capo already in place on fret 6 to correspond with that perspective.

We have replaced the need to play lots of terrifying barre chords with the need to play just one, an E-shape minor two frets above the capo (showing as F#m in the chart).
There is an open chord grip alternative to this that I showed briefly in the live session. Here is a neck diagram for that chord. I am a big fan of its sound and it can be a perfect choice in the right context.

We can use those shapes. Or we can adjust the capo position with the Capo Conversion Chart to help.
We now find ourselves in a situation not yet encountered. We already have a capo on the guitar and it is at fret 6. That means we can explore the options of moving both clockwise and anti-clockwise around the chart. That is the reason the chart shows the + / - symbol against each number. When you have a capo in situ, there are options to move it down the neck.


Here are two options with two moves. One move up the neck and one move down.

If we make one move clockwise it will take the capo up an additional two frets. The capo moves to fret 8. A little awkward perhaps.
6 + 2 = 8

The chord progression now becomes:

||:  G-shape  |  D-shape | Em-shape |  C-shape :||

||:     I     |     V    |     vi   |    IV    :||

We can reverse direction from the capo’s starting fret and instead go one move anti-clockwise. That takes it down three frets, arriving at fret 3.
6 - 3 = 3

The chord progression now becomes:

||:  C-shape  |  G-shape | Am-shape |  F-shape :||

||:     I     |     V    |     vi   |    IV    :||

The F-shape could be played as a mini-barre or an Fmaj7 so long as it sounds good.


It is possible to make one more move anti-clockwise - with capo moving all the way down to fret 1. I have chosen not to show it as it would involve playing an A-shape minor barre chord for the vi chord.


I hope that is all clear and gives even more food for thought in using the ideas presented, even if the song being played is not in the keys of C, A, G, E or D.

Richard
:slight_smile:

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Hi Rogier. Thanks for joining in. I appreciated you making an effort to smarten yourself and get dressed for the occasion even if we couldn’t see you.

Thanks for letting me know the numbers - I don’t see that from within Streamyard - or didn’t look for it at least. I try not to think about it or my anxiety levels rise high!

I’m very glad of that.

@brianlarsen
Gosh … when you quote selectively in that manner I can see that perhaps Rogier is not being so very friendly after all haha!!!
Or is it all out of context fake news? !!!
:astonished:

I am so ashamed of myself. Forgive me my sins I beseech you.
I knew as soon as I did it. But it was live, no edits, no second chance.

In my defense … yes, I do have a defense here … the comment was about reggae and ska. Reggae is down … BUT … Ska is up. So maybe I didn’t sin too badly!
:wink:

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Ooo Very nice comments,big smile :smiley: :smile:

Look Brian…as it can be… :roll_eyes: :grin:

Your defense has been approved… :grin:

and it is strange that all those 1000 hours days of teaching can still make you nervous with a number of viewers above 100 (although face to face is probably much easier in a large room)… direct feedback and so on…I’m glad I don’t have to do it…

amazingly great what you’re all doing :man_bowing:

Greetings

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I’m more of a back-room guy than a front-of-house guy.
Performing in front of people gives me a knotted stomach, palpitations and sweaty hands.
There is an element of performing when delivering a live class to a large number of people and I feel similar - though less severe - anxiety leading up to ‘show time’ for sure.

Thanks you so much.
Appreciation and the thought that people are learning something new, enabling them to make better music is a big reward.
:slight_smile:

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@Richard_close2u Just wanted to let you know, that I enjoyed yesterday’s session a lot. It was, as always, very useful and inspiring. I like it to see things from a slightly different angles and you have a great ability to put things we probably already have learnt into a certain context or provide so much helpful material and ideas for practice.

I really appreciate your efforts for guiding us to that point! Justin’s lessons are more than I ever expected to find online, but you definitely add cherries on the cake! Sorry, sounds maybe a bit “cheesy”, I mean that quite objective (hard times as a German to find the right words :laughing:)
Thank you!

Edit: I liked the quick info about the Trio+, would be interesting to learn more about that!

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Thank you for the lesson Richard, your capo conversion chart is really useful.
:+1:

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Hi Andrew.
I quite like cherries on / in my cake. I like cheese. And, at festive time, I even like them together!!


Yum yum.
:slight_smile:

Thanks for your kind words.

@Rock_Hopper I’m glad you like it.
I should properly register it with the patents office, have a professional graphic designer work on it and sell copies printed on laminated card around the world - maybe make a million bucks!!

Yes, thank you Richard, for getting me up at 2:30am and for the Club Topic :rofl::rofl::+1:. I am busily trying to absorb your explanation to Mikes question above. Thanks again, informative and enlightening :clap::+1:

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