What is so special about Beat 1?

Iā€™m not commenting on the deep dive aspect, just allowing others to comment on the ONE.

James Brown: ā€œā€œThe ā€˜Oneā€™ is derived from the Earth itself ā€¦ā€

Miles Davis: ā€œIā€™m going to keep ā€œgetting up on the one,ā€ brother, Iā€™m just going to try to keep my music getting up on the one, getting up on the one every day I play.ā€

Bootsy Collins: "Just keep it on THE ONE!ā€

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Huh? Thereā€™s nothing special about it.

Ha ha! Nice ONE Richard!

No deep dive from you, exceptā€¦your exuberant use of the word ā€œoneā€ and then finish with a video which is all about ONE

Summat tells me you know what I mean! :wink: :grinning:

What?! An you a drummerā€¦!

In his autobio he talked about a pianist he played with in the 1940s (I forget the name but he had a Wikipedia article and seemed a legit musician in his own right) who often lost the time. Like, from Milesā€™ mouth that sounded like one of the worst possible things ever a musician could do, especially if it became a habit of sorts; even worse than occasionally playing a wrong note.

Interesting topic.

I think there has to be something special about beat 1, since we are generally able to easily identify it when listening to a song. This seems to be true regardless of the time signature and the underlying drum pattern (or otherwise, the accents played on the various beats).

Iā€™m surprised that nobody has mentioned chord changes yet. Chord changes occur on beat 1 more than any other beat and this is what I believe allows us to identify beat 1 when listening and what makes beat 1 different from the other beats.

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@jjw
Thatā€™s right, John, chord changes on one.
Other things happen on one as well. But they donā€™t just happen, theyā€™re timed to land on one.
It all goes into building the importance and unique sound of beat1.

My first thought was: Itā€™s your home base.
You can go in any direction from thereā€¦ to another rhythm, another chord, a melody, or improvise around a pattern - naturally you repeat your short trails around your home before you look for another one ā€¦ but you come back to your home anyway :slight_smile:

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Couldnā€™t agree more. Regardless of the time sig everything has to start on beat one form an overall song perspective, so I donā€™t see it as special, its just a place to start. In fact you could start a song with a pick up phase, played on 4 & A 1, does that make the 4 special or the 1 special ? But every song will pulse from the 1 once it gets going from a Bass and Drum perspective and that the engine house.

Reggae accents the & so in that regard they are special. @Richard_close2u often recommends playing a licks on different beats, not just the 1, try 2 or 3 or 4 or any e & a in between to get a different feel or phrasing. So in a way all the beats and sub beats are special but its down to context. Its all about where and when you want the accent.

What is so special about beat 1 ? Nothing IMHO its just the start of another bar. Simples,

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@TheMadman_tobyjenner
Toby, I started this thread because I believe that beat1 is special and I asked for others views to find out if they agree.
So far, it seems that not many do!
That hasnā€™t changed my mind though. When I listen to music, I hear what I hear. When people who donā€™t play listen to music they hear what they hear too. They donā€™t think about bars, they donā€™t think about chords or notes or licks or 1 2 3 4 or any of that theory stuff - they hear what they hear and dance or sing or tap their feet or handsā€¦.they hear the pulse and go with it. The music is in a continuous flow. It moves on from the pulse and returns to it with constant regularity.

As players, we bring in the theory and terminology and the pulse becomes beat1
As a learner, I use theory to help me learn and understand but Iā€™m aware that itā€™s the sound of what I play thatā€™s important, not the theory of how I get to the sound. Iā€™m also aware that my sound has to revolve around the pulse - beat1

The pick ups you mention are a lead-in to beat1. The start of the phrase usually isnā€™t accented, the accent will be on beat1.
Moving your licks to start mid-bar can turn the start of it into a lead-in and the accent moves to mid-lick or to the end of it. As you say, that will give it a different feel - and sound! Fascinating!
That sort of thing is a bit beyond me at the moment, Iā€™m just starting to learn licks (2)! and still learning to bend it like Beckham!
Lyrics work in a similar way, lead-ins and then key words falling on beat1 where they are held and/or accented.
Soā€¦.it all revolves around beat1 All of these things are why I say itā€™s special.

Okay, so all of that is my take. It doesnā€™t matter that you and others have a different take.
Different thinking and approaches lead us to developing our own ways andā€¦.dare I say itā€¦our own voice!

Thank you for your post Toby.
Responding to it has made me think about it some more and re-enforced my view.

Beat one where would we be without it!

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Just a thought: you say a lot of things ā€˜startā€™ on beat 1 (chords, lyrics, ā€¦). Does everything start at beat 1 because itā€™s ā€˜specialā€™, or is beat 1 ā€˜specialā€™ because al these things happen at that point? As far as Iā€™m concerned, thereā€™s nothing ā€˜specialā€™ about a beat where different stuff happens - itā€™s just a starting point.

As Toby already said, the ā€˜pulseā€™ isnā€™t always on beat 1. The same goes for the start of lyrics: a hell of a lot of lyrics start before beat 1. And Iā€™m sure there are other examples.

Terminology matters here. Traditionally, the ā€œpulseā€ is all the beats, not just beat 1. It has a tempo, measured in BPM - Beats Per Minute.

Hereā€™s what ChatGPT says - better than I can:

The ā€œpulseā€ in music refers to the underlying beat that gives music its sense of rhythm and timing. Itā€™s the regular, recurring beat that you might tap your foot to when listening to a song. The pulse is what helps musicians stay in time with each other, and itā€™s the foundation upon which rhythm, tempo, and meter are built.

The pulse can be fast or slow, steady or varied, and it often dictates the overall feel of a piece of music. In simpler terms, itā€™s like the heartbeat of the music, providing a steady framework around which the melody and harmony are structured.

I agree that beat 1 is ā€œspecialā€, but itā€™s not the pulseā€¦itā€™s something at a higher level.

I think this is the first time Iā€™ve gotten anything useful out of this ā€œAIā€ stuff! Letā€™s see if my luck holdsā€¦

ā€œChat GPT, why is beat one special?ā€

Beat 1, or the downbeat, is special because it:

  1. Marks the Start: It signifies the beginning of each measure, providing a clear reference point for musicians and listeners.

  2. Carries Emphasis: Itā€™s often the most emphasized beat, setting the rhythmic tone for the measure.

  3. Guides Harmonic Changes: Harmonic shifts, like chord changes, often occur on beat 1, making it a crucial point for musical transitions.

  4. Anchors Rhythm: It helps structure the rhythm, creating a predictable cycle that aids in timing and musical flow.

This makes beat 1 essential for maintaining order and cohesion in music.

Hmmm, not bad.

My only quibble would be ā€œoften most emphasizedā€. Probably true for classical, but not necessarily for more modern musicā€¦where the ā€œbackbeatā€ - 2 and 4 - get the emphasis.

(Iā€™m assuming ā€œemphasisā€ is the same as ā€œaccentedā€ here)

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You asked for peoples opinions then disagreed with every one of them trying to get them to agree with your opinion.
We get it you think beat one is special.

We wouldnā€™t have beats 2 3 or 4 so I guess we wouldnā€™t have rhythm.

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@LadyOfTheCastle
Thatā€™s a chicken and egg question, Els. :smile:

Read my reply to Toby about where melody/licks/lyrics start and land.

@Tbushell
I donā€™t use that ā€œAIā€ malarkey, Tom.
Itā€™s interesting what it says though.
For balance, how about asking it the same question for other beats?

@stitch
Okay Rick, over to you. You show me how to turn this into a discussion rather than a list of opinions and disagreements.

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I think the discussions came to a conclusion with the general consensus that the only significance of beat 1 over the other beats is that itā€™s the first beat in the measure/bar and without beat 1 we would be in free time. I donā€™t think youā€™re going to be able to convince anyone otherwise, fair play for trying. Back to the 12 bar blues for meā€¦ 1, 2, 3, 4ā€¦2, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 3, 4ā€¦

Not really. Things have to start somewhere, and logically, and some exceptions notwithstanding, thatā€™s at ā€œ1ā€. Itā€™s not the 1 that you think is ā€˜specialā€™, itā€™s just the fact that itā€™s a starting point that gives it a key role.

So I agree with @stitch and a bunch of others here: thereā€™s nothing special about the 1 - itā€™s just the first, there would be nothing if there wasnā€™t a 1. But itā€™s nothing more ā€˜specialā€™ than that either.

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No no. Thatā€™s what YOU think, not what I think!

The only important beat 1 is the very first in the song, regardless of time signature. It just say start here and lock in the rhythm until the end. Accents can be on any beat or sub beat, licks can start and end on any beat and ring out across the remainder of the bar or even two bars. If you move a lick that runs for a bar in 4/4 for example to start on beat 3 of the bar you wonā€™t be accenting the next beat 1, the end of the lick will fall on beat 2 and that will sound special. Youā€™ll see this more when you learn more licks and experiment with their placement. But hey if it special to you that is all that matters. YMMV. Hope you have fun learning those licks it will open up a whole new world. :+1:
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