When to set a aside a song

I agree with all of the above.

There’s definitely a school of thought that is that we must go on at all costs or its failure but I don’t subscribe to that. I feel that I have done in the past and it’s only lead to me putting down my guitar.

Perhaps if anything you’ve persisted with this one too long if that feeling of frustration has set in and you’re not enjoying it any more. It’s a tricky balance between giving in too easily and just beating your head against a wall!!!

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You’ve answered your own question Daphne. :smiley:

If the chords are the problem there’s always a different approach, try this and see if it’s easier to cope with:

If you want to play with the track true to key, it’s capo on 5th fret.

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Hello Daphne, this song will be waiting for you. There is no need to work on it at the moment, if all you get back is frustration.
I’m absolutely certain, that there are other songs, that can bring back the joy to your practice.
And as Jason has recommended:

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Pretty much has already be said, so I’ll just add my opinion as well: that’s totally fine to set a song aside…you’ll see for yourself all the pros of doing it when you’ll get back to this song :blush:

One year on one song.
Holy cow!
Park it and park it now.
Move on, nothing to see here.

Check out Nicole’s recent topic : Just wanted to share my joy 🤩

What is not yet together?

The chord formations?
The chord changes?
The changes at tempo?
The 6/8 time signature?
The strumming?
Or the picking?
If picking, the fact that The Animals version plays the 6/8 in a slightly different way where the beats are not all even eighths?
Playing and singing it together?
Just singing it?

Stop thinking, just do.
Put it aside.
Seriously.
That is torture.

Develop your wider skills as @J.W.C mentions and have fun with thousands of other songs.

Learn songs (plural).

:slight_smile:

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Other than agreeing with other posters about setting it aside to come back later, it may be useful, for next time, to pick a song that maybe you can’t play yet, but is achievable.

For me, being able to play a song is not the end of that song, it is the beginning. I would not pick a song if I identify one section of it is clearly beyond my ability and I do not have the confidence to be able to play it in, say, 2 weeks. Since progression is not linear if I do not see myself playing it in the near future, then I do not know when I could play it. So I’ll set it aside and pick one that is closer to my ability.

That does not mean I do not work on a song for more than 2 weeks. Once I learn a song, I record it, listen back section by section, and see what I do not like. Then I practice improving how it sounds until I’m convinced that I did my best and can’t do much better without significantly improving my skills. Then I record my best version and put it aside to re-visit at least a few months later.

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Hi Serhat,
For me personally the bar is much higher than 2 weeks,…I start more songs than I finished ,…and when I get really stuck at a certain part I stop and continue with the next song ,… and every now and then (as indicated by more people) I come back ,…and quite often as if by magic in a clear sky that difficult piece suddenly succeeds due to further acquired skills ,…
But the teacher may correct me if for more novice players (I often still see myself as a beginner) such a short horizon is good ,…Come in Richard if needed, :blush:
Greetings,Rogier

Hey Rogier, of course, I’m not saying it should be universally two weeks, just an indication.

To clarify, it is not for 2 weeks to learn the song, it is for being able to do a certain section. For e.g. let’s say the second verse has a riff that I can do at 70 bpm but not 80 yet. I will pick up that song because I can probably go from 70 to 80 bpm for that riff in 2 weeks.

But I will not start learning Metallica’s Master of Puppets solo because I know that it would take me months, if not years of practice to be able to start playing it. So I’ll park it until later.

Hope that makes sense.

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voila

Several possible scenario’s:

  • park it and revisit when you feel ready
  • freeze it until who knows; you might have gotten out enough already
  • dump it, it won’t bring joy anymore

There is always a chance to revisit something but it looks like for now you had enough.
I have a bunch of songs that fall in one of above categories!

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Hi Serhat,
A bit,…but I’m going to assume that beginner guitarists don’t start with Master of puppets or Tears in Heaven (as I did with the latter ,… don’t do that :see_no_evil: :blush:, ) ,…here we have a Grade system which is a good indicator ,…But that also varies from person to person and from hand to hand,…if I start something which should be about at a level I’ve done before I just start , and if I succeed it’s fantastic ,… if it really doesn’t work I will continue ,…I myself can often not estimate it and a lot takes 5 weeks or more,(and i have time on my side :wink:) …what seems easy can be hell and vice versa,…

Especially when Justin utters the dreaded words “relative easy”… :scream:

Greetings,…

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When I hit a point with a song that requires me to learn a technique that is significantly “over my head” enough that I need to learn the technique first before applying it to the song, I’ll either:

  • Put the song “on the shelf” until I build the skills to play the song as my learning progresses
  • Add a 5-minute practice item to my routine to teach myself the skill

For me, a recent example of this is “LaGrange” by ZZ Top. I learned the basic riff, but soon realized that I wasn’t going to get it to sound like the original until I learned Hybrid Picking. Since this is a pretty complex skill to learn and I have more immediate things to work on (I’m on Grade 3, Module 17), I chose to stop working on “LaGrange” until I choose to learn Hybrid Picking.

I replaced “LaGrange” with “Jesus Just Left Chicago” by ZZ Top. I have already learned most of the techniques required to play this song (12-bar Blues, Shuffle Rhythm, G Shape Explorer, C shape Explorer, etc.) but I need to practice applying the techniques I already know to this song, plus learn a few variations on techniques I’ve already “mastered”. In short, it’s a more easily achieved goal.

IMHO, you’ve really gotta love a song to be willing to put all the effort into learning how to play it well. If the effort is so high that it becomes overwhelmingly frustrating and therefore not fun, then moving on to something else just makes sense.

Justin did a lesson where he talks about the different levels of songs you learn: https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-lessons/3-types-of-songs-you-should-practice-pc-001

In the context of this lesson, I moved “LaGrange” from “developers” to “dreamers” and added “Jesus Just Left Chicago” to “developers”

It sounds like you need to move “House of the Rising Sun” onto your “dreamers” list and come back to it later.

YMMV

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@roger_holland That makes sense. Let me rephrase:

If it is “I can see myself doing this with a lot of practice”, I’ll make an attempt. If it is “whoa how in the world is that even possible” then I’ll save that for later.

Or sometimes, I’ll pick it up but simplify that part to my level.

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@Fast-Eddie Is it the riff at the very start of the song? If so, is not that just finger-picking?

I think this is one of the most-accurate lessons for it and it teaches that part with finger-picking. Hope it helps: (removed)

Edit: I removed the link as I understand it is against forum rules but just want to say that I’ve seen lessons aiming at teaching the song note for note reached it with finger-picking. If that’s something you’d be happy with, I think you can get it exactly like the original that way.

Hi Justin has a good lesson on La grange , then it is not usual for us to send people to other teachers,
Greetings,…

I think the main problem with the grade system is that it sometimes offers false hope, and you dive in only to find you’re learning a massively simplified version of the song that doesn’t really satisfy.

I suppose the other question that I would ask Daphne comes from her mentioning playing AND singing. @Daphne20 can you play through the song if you don’t sing as well? From my limited experience, until you can play through while watching the television (or something like that) then the additional mental process of singing is going to be too much. Or is that you can play it OR sing it just not both at the same time?

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Sorry, but I really didn’t find any cons…Really!
Greetings,…

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I don’t think that teaching a complex song with all of its intricacies in the beginner course would serve the purposes of the beginner course. A lot of folks start from scratch when they find Justinguitar, so I don’t really see why finding simple versions of potentially more difficult songs would create false hopes. It’s better to start easy than to dump lots of details on beginners that they may not even comprehend, let alone be able to reproduce.

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I think you’ve missed my point. I’m not saying it would be right for a beginner to tackle all of the ins and outs of a complex song, just that it can equally be disappointing when you think you’re about to learn some song you love and then realise you’ll just be strumming 2 chords throughout. I think sometimes it would be better just to have some songs later in the grades when they can be tackled a bit more authentically

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Yes, the riff as played at the beginning and during the quiet parts of the song.

You can play it either with hybrid picking or using a combination of a claw technique, single string and double-stop fingerstyle. Sometimes you pluck 1 string, sometimes it’s 2 strings simultaneously, sometimes it’s 3 strings simultaneously. The loud part works with some good-ol’ left-hand muting and strumming (very SRV-like).

I can’t play finger-style worth a damn, so I’ll come back to this song after I decide to focus on fingerstyle for a while.