I agree with Keith on this.
This is why I think AI shouldn’t be part of this forum. This little or no skill creating of music has no place in a place of learning and like it or not this community is a place of learning and not just another social media place to waist of time.
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I think this is the real kicker. People are going to post AI content whether they’re aware it is or not. I think it’s fair to call it out as AI when someone knows it is. And folks unhappy with the fact that it’s AI should certainly be able to post that.
But I agree that the cat is out of the bag now. AI generators are making stuff that VERY closely resembles art and that’s not likely to ever stop. Policing it in a forum like this is going to get increasingly difficult to the point that a LOT of “prohibited” AI content is going to slip through unnoticed (as it did here until it was called out). In that context, what purpose does such a rule, informal or not, serve?
IMO, if it’s going to be a rigid “NO AI” rule, then it needs to be official and explicit (and good luck - I’ve been a moderator elsewhere and that’s not something I’d be enthused to police). If it’s going to be informal, then it needs to be a flexible guideline, and I think “calling it out when discovered” fits that quite nicely.
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Quite the lively topic!
I’m reading along to see some good arguments in all ways.
Meanwhile we discuss in the team how we frame this in the context of the community.
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Exactly!!
Musicians and the human ear will push AI music aside.
Yes policing it will be difficult when someone unknowingly post it but what @brianlarsen is proposing is an AI section where people deliberately create and distribute AI content knowing it is AI.
I see no value in this on this forum. This is a forum for guitar player to learn and discuss guitar related ideas. If people are going to use AI to create lyrics or write music and claim it as there own it will be hard to tell and no way to stop it. But these people are only hurting themselves in their quest for attention.
I see no need in encouraging it.
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Yeah, the last thing we need is an AIVoYP section on a guitar learning site where people give feedback on the prompts used
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The status quo:
- Many members are already (increasingly) posting AI content on the forum.
- There is no official policy on posting AI content.
- Some of us enjoy this.
Some of us hate it.
Many have mixed feelings, and it often depends on the context in which it’s shared.
This is a guitar-learning website, but it is specifically designed to also cater for non-guitar interests, primarily in the Just Chatting section, where we can share personal interests in sports, cars, motorbikes, gardens and anything else that doesn’t breach the rules.
In my opinion, an interest in AI (not necessarily positive), esp. where it intersects with music, is a valid category.
There are already a number of high-volume/low-engagement threads such as ‘What am I listening to?’, ‘Guess who died?’ or ‘Look at this funny thing’. I’m happy for those who enjoy them. I’m sure many have never clicked on the links.
Having a ‘Look what AI can now do’ thread could help declutter much of the current ‘cross-contamination’. (There’s already been a separate AI-dedicated thread started since my post this morning)
As this issue is only going to grow, a good case could be made for a separate ‘room’ for AI, which could cater for multiple threads.
The problem with sewage is not “How much is there?”
It is “Is it deposited in the appropriate location and can the sewers/treatment plant cope?”
Rick, we see this Community fundamentally differently.
I think almost everyone here tries to post in the appropriate category.
Sure, some are more familiar with the layout, and some could spend more time trying to find the right place, but overall, and with the help of the moderators it’s running pretty well.
I was one of the dozen along with you, asked to ‘road test’ the new Community before it went live three years ago (you should have just received a badge for your anniversary)
I started this topic as a continuation of that spirit, not to cause controversy.
Clear thinking and not getting too upset about others’ differing opinions is the way forward.
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And you still managed to break it a couple of times once it had gone live 
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I never said it’s right. I just said it’s too late to stop it.
I agree artists have a right to be protected - there can’t be any doubt about that. But i honestly don’t think banning ‘artistic use’ of AI (for want of a better term) is a viable option. Do you really think you could get the EU, US, Russia, China, and every other country in the world to agree to ban AI, and then policing it? Because I absolutely don’t.
your view is : the world is crap why bothering to make it better …
Seriously, I don’t see how you can come to such a conclusion based on what I wrote. FWIW: you’re very wrong. But I am a realist, and I don’t think a ban is feasible. And no, I don’t know a solution to the problem. But I do think it is better to spend time and energy to try and find a solution that could work, even partially, rather than pursuing something that won’t work. That’s very far from not bothering…
Isn’t artificial intelligence supposed to be designed to make the world a better place and then take over the world?
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there is no partial stealing of work or partial false creation … when you open the pandora box its already too late !
as stich said we re here to learn to do things ourselves , people dont need JG to create ai stuff
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I think in the more recent versions, it is both. But, I agree with your point there is no guarantee of it giving accurate results.
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Fair point. Although, I suppose many folks around here do not know how to use chatGPT (or similar tools). I do think for specific types of questions, chatGPT can provide value. But you have to be judicious about it.
I often wonder why people ask questions here that could easily be answered in 1 minute with a google search. My guess is that they enjoy the interactions with people in the community (or they don’t know how to use google, which seems less likely).
Dear Richard, thanks for your (as always) thoughtful reply. I pretty much agree 100% with what you wrote.
Would Match my Sound be considered AI?
I said ‘partial solutions’, as in ‘a partial solution is better than no solution’, I didn’t say nor implied that there is something like ‘partial stealing’ or ‘partial false creation’.
Indeed, you’re absolutely right there. And unfortunately, Pandora’s box has already been opened on this one.
Absolutely.
FYI, I don’t use ChatGPT, partially because of the copyright issues, partially because of the environmental impact (training as well as using ChatGTP & co consumes huge amounts of energy), and partially because I believe relying on AI to e.g. write letters robs the user of the development of a very useful and fulfilling skill: the art of writing (or any other form of skill).
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Why in all of this does The Terminator keep coming to mind
Did he not turn out good in the end?
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