Don Henley/Eagles Song Lessons Removed

Hi Helen0609
Pls read about Ben Franklin, ca 1750 or so. He invented great, was an amazing diplomat, and just gave his all to the world. Today in 2023, we love him (BF) for it. Then there’s Don H, who is confuddled and quashing himself. Sad. Money? Pride? Time will tell. Me, I just play it live; when Don is not in the room. I still want to pass those good Eagles tunes to those wanting and learning. _R. PS Helen0609, I like your take about a “great” acting out as a “petty character” …me sees it as sweet revenge in a way…ha ha

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If fans are simply being altruistic and worried that Don Henley’s/The Eagles’ music is going to become less popular, resulting in less acknowledgement or financial reward, that’s laudable.
I have the feeling that most of us are simply annoyed that we can’t have a free resource that we have grown accustomed to. He wrote it. He owns it. He has provided much pleasure to many people. He can do what he likes with it.

I’d be wary of this. YouTube doesn’t really care who breaks the rules. 3 strikes and you’re out. I have used up one official warning for my cover of Hotel California. It would be a bit of a pain in the backside to lose my channel for the sake of trying to irritate someone I don’t know with my third-rate covers/transcriptions.

We all have our flaws- even Benjamin Franklin. Despite all his admirable qualities, the man still owned and traded in slaves, only becoming an abolitionist in later life.

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Heeey You…No sarcasm allowed here :rofl:

I just bought the tar and feathers :grimacing:

Fortunately I still have the tabs in my head, I always want to imitate them almost perfectly and I am happy that I could use the tabs for that :sweat_smile:(lazy me), but I cannot share and show off with the intro now, although it does need some sanding again :grimacing:

Greetings and for everybody who is very disappointed, just think that Justin is more upset about this because this (hotel C) was the most popular song tutorial (or at least I think)

Lets play :sunglasses:

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Justin’s single guitar version of Desperado is such a classic lesson.
Love the second finger slides with the thumb-over.
That seems a very mean-spirited decision by Mr Henley.

Fuly agree with this.

It shouldn’t stop anyone playing Eagle songs. The chords to these songs are still freely available on the internet so you don’t actually need transcribing skills.

Nope, not me. I don’t mind the music and quite like some of it, but I don’t count myself as a fan.

If his music fades into obscurity, I don’t really care.

I’m not even bothered about that: other artists have done similar.

It is, indeed, his football. And if, because the game isn’t going the way he thinks it should, with him being in total control of the ball at all times, he is perfectly entitled to grab his ball, and march off in a huff, and go home with it.

Alone.

There are plenty of other people with footballs who understand how the game is played, and realise that being able to enjoy a game with others is a pleasure and a privilege.

To me none of those things are the issue. To me it’s the attitude of entitlement, the pettiness, the seeming total lack of understanding that it’s no longer the 1970’s and the world has changed, the lack of willingness to adapt to that new world.

And, most of all, the misplaced, vindictive, blame: he is a highly successful, multi-millionaire artist who was lucky enough to be born at a time where he could exploit the relatively short period of time where a small minority of artists made excessive amounts of money for their work.

And now, despite being rich beyond most people’s wildest dreams, he’s complaining that he doesn’t make as much money as he used to!

And he seems to blaming us for that.

If he was supporting new artists and complaining about how the industry now works, and how little money new artists are getting from streaming services, I would be behind that.

But it all seems to be about how, he, personally should be richer.

And, to make it worse, he doesn’t seem to even have a valid point. He is (to use the saying) “cutting his own nose off to spite his face”.

YouTube (generally) is not the problem. Love them or hate them, reaction videos have revived the popularity of a lot of artists and their music from the 60s, 70s and 80s.

Cheers,

Keith

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I think probably Sultans of Swing tutorials are more popular and have more views collated to date.

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o you are probably right , I have no idea where to look for that… I once (and now again) looked at the lessons here (community) to see how many people had clicked on the lessons and then hotel was the most viewed ( or do I totaly look wrong?)

Yup. Top of the viewing list on the YouTube Channel now shows Sweet Child of Mine. Though, thinking of the popularity of the song lessons released in the last two years, it shows Here Comes the Sun and within the last year The Chain.

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Aha , You watch that on YouTube… so I looked at the song lessons on this site and there is a big gap between the two where and that hotel song has the most …
Oh well, instead of all that talking about it I could almost have learned it properly again :grin:

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I think it was Rick Beato who said that Don Henley has a team of 60 people who troll for copyright infringements. Although as I understand it anyone on YouTube can strike a video, it has happened to Paul Davids, and that was his own composition. The rules are somewhat arbitrary and YouTube ought to get it together properly.
It helps no one when copyright strikes are given and videos are taken down, unless a troll perhaps.

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Haha, there’s a thoughtfully crafted response, Keith :grinning:
I suspect we see things in a largely similar light (appreciation of the music, spitting the dummy etc…) There is no shortage of artists, however, with an ‘attitude of entitlement, pettiness and seeming total lack of understanding…’ and life’s too short to worry about them.

This discussion drifts quicky into the topic of are artists owed a living? and if so, how should they be remunerated? (In my pinko utopia, we’d all have a universal basic income and be free to create whatever/whenever we feel like it but that ain’t gonna happen soon).
Artists make art because it is a fulfilling experience. We all do it for free (and usually even pay for the privilege). Professional artists get paid if they have the drive to pursue a monetising business model and if the circumstances are favourable. Fair play to anyone who is or was able to make a living out of it.
I stopped paying for ‘established’ artists years ago, preferring to donate my entertainment budget to tiny bands that will never make it.
I can’t believe I watched the Cadbury’s ad reaction video :roll_eyes:
Maybe I should launch a reaction series to Justin’s lessons… :thinking:

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Clickbait - not going, there I already skipped the NME link :rofl:

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I’d watch that! :smile:

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For me it’s sympathy for the poor beginners who might have been in the middle of learning a beloved song, only to have the rug pulled out from under them.

I clearly remember how much work it was to learn those first few songs.

I got lucky…when they started purging songs from the App, I had pretty much moved beyond needing it, but it still hurt when several of my favourites disappeared without any warning at all, and I had to find alternatives that were clearly inferior to what had been working so well for me.

If that had happened a year or so earlier, I think it would have been a huge setback for me. For someone who was already struggling, it might even be enough to push them into quitting.

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It IS a setback.
I saw Justin’s lesson on R.E.M.'s The One I Love on UTube & in it Justin refers heavily on how cool this tune is on his app… but it’s not on the app… at least not anymore.
Is this a crisis for me? No, I still am able to go through the lesson & play along with the song, I just feel that if we’re paying for an app to enable this “play along with chords & lyrics” as well as the other nice features the app has, we should be able to find the songs that Justin is recommending us play along with. Maybe @larynejg could investigate this particular song (and it’s absence) for us?
Again, it’s not critically important in the larger scheme of things, but as @brianlarsen says it’s annoying to lose a resource & totally agree with @Tbushell that learning new songs is hard, heck learning most of the things we have to learn to play guitar are hard, frustrating that things can make it even harder! Especially if you’re still in the “learning” phase of a song & then it’s GONE… Vanished without a trace!

Tod

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There’s nothing to investigate, if the copyright holder says take it down you take it down or spend millions of dollars fight it in court. It’s only going to get worse with a lot of the aging artists like Fleetwood Mac, Neil Young and many more selling their song categories for hundreds if millions of dollar to publishering companies.

And he complains about “having” to pay them, as if it wasn’t a deliberate choice he made.

How much of their efforts go into supporting general copyright and artist payment issues that would benefit other artists and the industry in general?

I would be willing to bet it’s zero.

Cheers,

Keith

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The one thing that baffles me in all this is that there is so little money to be made from online music directly that unless someone can be shown to be directly earning from a specific song (rather than a series of lessons with the one song being a part of it) then it must cost a lot more to police than can possibly be made back.

Perhaps Justin could do a few Joe Bonamassa tracks - he summed it up by saying that he gets next to nothing from online streaming, so anyone can cover his tracks, change the words, download them or whatever they want, as long as they pay for the tickets when they go and see him.

A few more artists could learn from this - millions of streams earning a few hundred pounds or so means that getting a bit of publicity for live shows should be welcomed.

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Am I just being cynical, is a long game being played.
If you shut down the lessons then less people will learn the songs and in the future there will be less cover versions.
Michael