Going fully wireless - IEM

I’m thinking about going fully wireless for the guitar setup at home.

Doing a wireless guitar cable seems straightforward, with loads of options available. Eg boss or Line6.

Headphones is a different story. Bluetooth has lag, so that’s out. It must be as close to zero latency as possible. Ideally I’d like a well balanced sound and to plug in to either the amp or AI so I was thinking in ear monitors.

Most of the ones I can find online seem either wired or commercial systems.

Any recommendations for a good wireless IEM or headphone system for home use?

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Hi JK,
Yesterday I wanted to buy the line 6 G10 ii from Thomann (Germany) or Bax or another store in the Netherlands, … Justin is very enthusiastic about it, and many people with him … so after some thinking… …unfortunately, not available here anymore…I’ll keep looking after the weekend, but let me know when/if you order the line 6 and have it in your home,…good luck
Greetings

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Not available, wow. Maybe they’ll get some in soon. Shops here seem to have them in stock but I haven’t decided which one to get yet.

Months and with some it says permanent and sometimes until further notice :grimacing:
called two stores where the site said available, … but it was also sold out there…

Big world problems are nothing to it. :roll_eyes:…Lucky I’m going to the Dutch coast in a hour… again for a day and a half (spent someone’s birthday last week), eat, chat and ??? …but now with 12 male friends :milk_glass: :woozy_face:…so I’ll talk to you a little later …Have a nice weekend,
Greetings

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I just got the Boss Wl-20 this week after reading I think it was one of @Majik posts. The build quality seems good and from initial run with them they seemed good. I’ve still to try them out on the acoustic. The only thing there is no docking station, I think it was the next model up that comes with docking station. Keiths probably a good bet to point you in the right direction.

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Wireless IEMs for performance use aren’t really a thing outside of professional setups.

All performance wireless IEM systems I have seen have a receiver pack designed to clip to a belt and you have to plug standard wired IEMs into them locally, so they are not totally wire-free like Bluetooth ear-buds would be.

I’ve not used it, but about the smallest, cheapest brand name system I have seen is the Xvive U4, which is around £250.

There are some interesting “no brand” units on Amazon for less which may work, like the Mamkoes V5S which is just over £100.

Cheers,

Keith

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Yes, that’s the WL50. The nice thing about that is it’s designed to work well on a pedal board.

Cheers,

Keith

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How about the Boss Waza air headphones

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Boss WL options seem decent, I’d get a docking station one though. I think I’m actually going to choose between Line6 G10 or G10S for the guitar wireless as they’re both in stock at a few music stores near me. G10S looks like it would probably last me forever so might just go that one.

Bummer, that’s as I thought it might have been from what I was finding when googling. The Xvive U4 is available near me, and looks decent, it’s small, not a giant expensive box as so many look like. 5ms latency is good. Still has that belt clip thing. I’m wondering if that might become a PITA for a home setup.

The no brander on Amazon you linked, if you zoom into the picture they’ve drawn their product on the DJ :smiley:. Limited marketing budget!

The Waza Air look pretty awesome and I did some research on them a while ago. They’re good for jamming by yourself. Unfortunately there’s no way to record what you play (unless you mic the speaker cups) and you can’t get other inputs into them, like from my Scarlett.

After @Majik’s post I broadened my search a little bit to studio headphones and not wireless IEMs and found these: TMA-2 Studio Wireless+ | AIAIAI. They’re fully wireless with 16ms latency designed for use in studios. Something like that might be the go. Apparently wired headphones are around 5-10ms latency so 16ms seems pretty good.

I already have a Astro A50 gaming headset which is supposed to be low latency. Pretty hard to find specific values on it though. The most specific figure I found was 12ms from rtings.com. I feel like they can’t be comparing apples to apples though as their wired headsets are all 0ms latency. Makes me think I should experiment with these before buying a different headset though.

I think I might get the wireless guitar cable first to see how that goes while I figure this headset thing out.

If you just wanted to use the waza air for monitoring then just plug the wireless Tx into the Scarlett output, you’ll all get any other inputs to the waza airs. You wouldn’t be recording the waza air output, merely monitoring it but you could record all Scarlett inputs and you could do that wirelessly two with the G10 for example

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I’ve seen this stated before and I don’t believe it to be true.

I would say wired headphones are pretty darn close to 0ms latency. In fact wired headphones should actually have a slightly lower latency than speakers.

Cheers,

Keith

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An option I’ll look into. On first glance I’d be concerned the Waza Air processes the signal through its virtual amp circuitry rather than just monitoring. But I haven’t researched it enough. Thanks for the recommendation!

That’s what I thought too. And must be true when talking about signal based on speed of electricity in copper.

I suppose the drivers take time to move… but so do drivers in wireless headphones of course.

I’m going to take wired as 0ms in comparisons as I’m sure wireless latency numbers are measuring wireless time, not sound time.

Thanks Keith

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You could turn the Waza Air processing off by disabling all effects, or set it to a completely clean amp with no effects.

But that would turn them into really, really expensive wireless headphones.

Cheers,

Keith

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Indeed it would Keith but only when wanting to go wireless and record. You could also use them for full capability in practice mode when recording isn’t required. So multi functional :+1:

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That is true Greg. I must admit I was briefly tempted with them myself, but I would want to try them first. And I already have a Pocket GT which has some similar capabilities.

In conjunction with some IEMs or headphones, that’s good enough for me. Not wireless, but very portable.

I just wish there was some sort of belt clip for the Pocket GT.

Cheers,

Keith

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Almost there with this setup. Seems like I may have had half the equipment already. The Astro A50s have a line in. With an EQ profile to make them behave more similarly to a studio headset, they seem decent and I can’t hear any lag.

I went to the local music shop today and the owner recommended the Boss WL-20 over the Line 6 as well. They had the G10S in stock but he reckoned it wasn’t worth paying the extra. So I’ve got a WL-20 now, on charge, waiting to give it a go.

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Hi Jk,
I have to pay more for the Boss here than the line 6 … and it replaces a 3 meter cord it says … I think that’s not a too weak signal … unfortunately for me not the solution yet … I’m looking very quietly further…
Greetings and have fun with yours :sunglasses:

Edit:matter of better searching and I have found the same price in any case…and that of 3 meters range it says ‘emulates a cable of 3 meters’ …Sounds like a disease, but I have to do that too it’s something I don’t know about apparently…I will wait patiently for your experiences with this system,…thanks in advance for that :wink: :grin:

Edit 2: I’ve found it all…this one will be on my wish list…if there is a lack of line 6 though, if it still shows up somewhere before it’s my turn (birthday gift) then i still buy it :smiling_face:

Yes, the 3m isn’t the range. The range of the WL20/50 is around the same (and, in my experience, better than) the Line 6 G10.

The Boss WL-20 emulates a real guitar cable of 3m.

What does this mean and why would you want this?

Real guitar cables have capacitance which acts as a filter and cause the higher frequencies to be reduced. If you remove this, your guitar will sound more trebley. Emulating the cable makes it sound more normal.

Edit: the Line 6 G10 also does this emulation of a 3m cable.

The Boss WL-50 allows you to switch this off completely, or to set it to “short” (3m) or “long” (6m).

Note that the Line 6 G10S has a similar switching capability.

Cheers,

Keith

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Thanks Keith,
I had just found out but for the sake of completeness very well that this is there now,…there will probably be more thinking “help, only 3 meters???”, and that they will not read any further and do without anythings go further…The docking station of the line 6 and then for the same price as the wl-20 appeals to me a little more and works just a little easier,…but well, that’s a luxury problem i hope…
Greetings,Rogier