Multi-angle recording - questions

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You need @Kasperā€™s babe magnet :wink:

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I thought that was some nice playing!

On the multicam, Iā€™ve only experimented with it a little bit. What I know so far is that you can record on any camera or phone, record audio separately ideally (e.g. in DAW or with a better microphone), and make sure all videos have audio recording on.

In a decent video editor with multicam features it will sync all the clips by their audio and replace the camera audio with the quality audio recording. So I recorded in DAW and exported for the highest quality WAV.

I use CyberLink PowerDirector. Similar to what @Socio says about Movavi it NAGS at times for be to upgrade even though Iā€™ve paid for it. But Adobe is so expensive for an amateur at home. I tried Corel but it didnā€™t sync the audio properly.

Most of these video editors have a free trial, you would want one that has multicam editing as a feature.

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Hi Mari Vegas Studio is great for purposes of video editing, Camtasia a but more limited but also should do the trick

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Thanks for all the input everyone (and playing comments as well :slight_smile: )

@roger_holland this is why I need a video editor with more than 2 cameras, then (maybe) Iā€™ll include a video shot with my smiling face lol

@RadekSiechowicz I definitely know that the transitions are short and disruptive. With this video I just wanted to test out everything I could find to do using iMovie. That YouTube video you shared has some massively excellent playing!

@Rossco01 the relatively simple iMovie was itself a massive sink time for me yesterday, altogether I spent almost 4 hours figuring it out :exploding_head: . Any further videos I do in iMovie wonā€™t take any time at all though. Iā€™ve been reluctant to look into that OBS because when you all start talking about it it sounds too techie for me. I will add it to my list of potentials to try though. Re cameras, I actually have 4 decent iPhones to use (2 XRs, and 2 iPhone 13s), as we just upgraded our phones, and I also have the webcam, so I should be good for cameras.

@Socio another one to add into the list, thank you!

@DavidP my questions are on video editing post recording. I used Reaper to sync the audio from my AI with the 2 camera videos. I did 3 claps at the beginning of the recording and then it was relatively easy to sync everything together. I didnā€™t figure out any video editing capabilities in Reaper though. You say ā€˜I made this video with all editing done in Reaperā€™. What video are you talking about? Thereā€™s no link. And what Video Editor did you buy?

@Majik simple is what Iā€™m hoping for, so I will definitely check that one out.

@brianlarsen I wasnā€™t looking for a new recorder, just a tripod, but that Magnet looks very interesting and it is now on my wish list!

@jkahn Iā€™m looking for an inexpensive option and so I can deal with lengthy advertising intros to achieve that goal :slight_smile:

@adi_mrok 2 more Iā€™ve never heard of, thanks!

Thanks again everyone, I now have a lengthy list of software to try out. Plus a Magnet to buy, when I wasnā€™t looking for a recording tool, I was looking for a video editor ā€¦

Simple is the first key for me, and inexpensive is second. To demonstrate my need for simplicity -
To make this recording I set up 2 iPhones to record video, using cords to attach them to music stands at odd angles (ie music stand pointed towards me and down), and set up condenser mic for recording audio. I recorded the piece in one-take. All is good. Put everything away. Checked videos. Realized I did not hit record on one of the iPhones. Decided to try recording the 2nd video by playing along. I recorded that one in two takes. Checked videos, and everything looked good. Put everything away again. Did you realize that when you do a slow-mo video the first couple seconds play back at regular speed? So then I realized that I hit slow-mo record on one of the videos!!! Cripes. Got both cameras out again and recorded one last time. In about 43 takes :frowning: I repeat - simplicity is key for me, as I can muck even that up!

:slight_smile:

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Ooops, copied the link and then never pasted, go figure ā€¦ Saturday Afternoon Rock n Roll - YouTube

I bought Corel Ultimate Studio. As per JKā€™s comment I did struggle with syncing different clips with a master audio. I got it right in the end but was easier to do it on the project above in Reaper manually.

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It is necessary to go by trial and error to figure out what works for you. Great that you can assess what works and what not, this will speed you up significantly.

Glad you enjoyed Brandon Acker, Iā€™m big fan of his works :).

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Thanks for the info, David. And thatā€™s a nice rock and roll clip!

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Multi-angle videos are cool :slight_smile:

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Hi Mari,

First of all nice playing. :slight_smile: Youā€™ve got a nice feel.

I know there have already been a lot of replies, but maybe I can add a few more suggestions. :grinning:

For what you want as a result, I believe the free Davinci Resolve version is a really great option. Youā€™ll need to create 2 time lines, a dynamic zoom and thatā€™s it.
Probably the first time it will take you a a few hours, but once youā€™ll get the hang of it, it should go quickly.

Did you consider those Ring lights as stands for your phones?
They are not expensive and have several proā€™s. They are adjustable in height, they have a holder for your phone, and they have a white light, which could come in handy when filming on a cloudier day or at night.

Keep us posted on the results.

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Mari

I have absolutely nothing to add on the video production and editing side as much has been said and many suggestions made, But I just had to listen to the recording as I am currently refining both the first and second Solo Blues course ā€œsongsā€ while learning the third (parallel to Fingerstyle Blues Handbook by David Hamburger - working on first 5 exercises/songs/tracks). Anyway thought you did a grand job and a little more fluid than I am at the moment. Very useful to see the different angles and hand shots, so I can see why youā€™re pursuing that. Surprised @adi_mrok didnā€™t mention your thumb but guess youā€™re not about to change :rofl: Nice share !
:sunglasses:

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Thanks @Sebastian_Dewulf-Ortega . Iā€™ve started looking at the two free editors, Kdenlive and DaVinci Resolve, and they both look very similar . I found some good tutorials on DaVinci Resolve so I will be trying that one. If I have questions I will reach out to you, thanks. And thanks for mentioning ring light stands, never heard of them but they might be a good choice for phone stands.

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Thanks @TheMadman_tobyjenner , I hope to see your version at some point. Iā€™ve got to get on to some more pieces in that course as well, I got distracted with something else after I learned this one. And re hand positioning I think my 50 years comment was too much for @adi_mrok to bother commenting on!! Sorry Adrian lol

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Hi Mari,

Thanks to your post you went and put ideas into my head. I ended up taken a previous single camera shot video of a fingerstyle song and adding some transitions to the video zooming into focus on my picking hand and then panning the short up the fretboard to focus on my fretting hand before zooming back out again. It actually worked out reasonably well, so I may give it a go on my next video on my learning log that I post to get feedback on my developing techniques.

Oh and you done a great job on the Walkin Easy Blues. I enjoyed it very much. Maybe worth posting it on the challenge page?

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Haha thanks for calling thumb police Toby, Mari I let you slide on this one as you played really well as Toby suggested. As long as it works Iā€™m good as gold :grin:

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Glad I could put ideas in someoneā€™s head, I go down enough rabbit holes after reading JG Community posts lol. And yes I think I might post WEB on the challenge page. I will re-record it first though, to get some better camera angles.

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And more than one,ā€¦I picked up this ā€œoldā€ blues lesson again this morning after a very long time, so thanks, :sunglasses:
Greetings,ā€¦

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DaVinci Resolve it is! Thanks for your input everyone. I still have to lighten up on the transitions, but if I went with reasonable numbers for a 1 minute piece I wouldnā€™t get to put hardly any in so I decided to just include too many lol. I recorded it again tonight, using 4 cameras (recorded once with 2 cameras, then played along with that to record 2 more cameras). I used the same camera-attached-to-music-stand set up. I got a Ring Light stand today but havenā€™t opened it yet, and I ordered a guitar phone holder mount as well (as an alternative to the Magnet thing). I should be able to do more with camera angles for future videos.

I posted the final video from today in the Challenges as James suggested Guitar Challenge (Blues Study Pieces) - Solo Blues Guitar (Justin Sandercoe) - #116 by Mari63 .

Thanks again everyone!

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Mari

If you run out of webcams but still want extra cameras and angles you can use OBS Ninja and use your mobile phone(s). Think you can add at least 4. Played around with this in the early OBS days when I only had 2 webcams and used the OBS auto scene changing facility that @Majik used in one of the early OMs.

:sunglasses:

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Thanks Toby, but for now I can maintain my distance from OBS lol. I have 4 iPhones to use for cameras (we just upgraded our phones), plus the webcam if required. I donā€™t think Iā€™ll need any more, especially if I overdub closeups (to keep the cameras out of the further out shots, especially once my guitar headstock camera mount arrives).

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Thanks again for that suggestion, I got a ring light stand yesterday and set it up this morning, and it works great. The only problem I see is that I look really old under the bright lights on my Saturday morning test recording lol

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