*Not Guitar related* It’s about Cars!

It’s now got to the stage where because of the increased cost in taxation (VED) in the UK my beloved car has to go! It’s a 2008 Porsche Boxter S. it’s now got a £400 levy on the already high cost of tax because it cost over £40,000 when it was new - when I got it I paid £15,000 for it!

So I decided that as we have Solar Panels on our roof and that we do a very low mileage I would get us an EV, after a long time researching what would be good for us I decided to get a Hyundai Ioniq, specifically the Premium SE version - which is the top of the range one that originally cost £38,000. Also I brought my purchase forward to before April when the new rates start, thus getting my first year at £0 tax, it’s going to be £195 afterwards.


I know it’s a lot more comfortable and will cost considerably less to run and has much better safety than the Boxter but it’s still a bitter pill to swallow!
Oh well, I guess I just have to make the most of it!
Has anyone else been in a similar situation?

I haven’t been in a situation similar to yours, Darrell, but I do love my EV! I drove my beloved Mini Cooper S for about 15 years, traded it for an entry level BMW 2-series that I never bonded with. The Ioniqs look fabulous…they had just come out when I made the switch to EV and were impossible to get. Check back in after a month or so and let us know how that bitter pill settles!

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I drive an aging (over 17 year old) Honda Civic, and my gas mileage is starting to go. I’d love to switch to an EV or plug-in hybrid, but don’t have the ability to charge at home (older apartment) or at work (street parking). So I’ll just keep running this thing into the ground until I have to replace it, or living circumstances change.
Congrats on the EV, and RIP to the Boxter!

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Oh that’s no good :frowning:

In the world of dream cars my aims were always very modest. I grew up in the 70s when Ford Escorts ruled the rallying world and then in my teens it was always Cosworths and the likes that interested me. A fast Ford was all I ever wanted. I now drive a car that I think teenage Matthew would approve of, it’s a mk8 Fiesta ST.

It does everything well. It runs on 2 cylinders when you drive it gently and is the easiest car in the world drive. Put it into sport mode and it’s a proper hooligan with close to endless grip :star_struck:

It’s car that I can never replace because there are no more of them. Next will have to be a soulless EV, so I’ll be running my feisty Fiesta until it falls to bits.

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Question, Do you have to pay additional taxes after you pay for it and once you own it?? :thinking:

What about farm equipment? How about a 4X4 truck that you wrench on yourself from 1994 with $20,000 worth of modification you added on your own. Who assesses that type of thing? No political or instagatory whatsoever, Just questions from a forigner who does not understand that system? Seems scary they can keep taxing you over and over for something thats already yours and now you have to get rid of a nice paid for car that you seem to want and take on payments.

I also still dont understand that whole paying taxes for a TV that may or may not be reciving signals broadcast into the air from an antenna. What If you use wired cable only or just internet steaming services exclusively.
Well perhaps there are benifits have not even considered.

My wife considered getting our daughyer an EV but we live in a state where getting to the next city with an EV is difficult. The few charging stations have a line that takes about 2 hours wait time to get a spot, thats not viable for us or her.
Plus this is rugged desert country. We need to be able to thrown our vehicles into 4 whell drive low at the drop of a hat. It does not always happen but when it does its an emergency.

I do imagine the tech will continue to get better. I am sure it is the future and I look forward to the advancements.

Edits wierd thing my auto correct on my phone is pesky. Edited getting to city next to us is not easy it is difficult. Its almost 100 miles away. Its not easy at all. Lol Arizona.

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Nice slightly different drive but the ioniq is supposed to be good

Recently got solar and have had an EV for 7 years now

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I traveled in a Hyundai Ioniq for a 2-hour drive on a snowy road in Finland last December. The car was quite comfortable and the driver was happy with the traction.

Enjoy your new ride!

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I’m on my 4th EV having had my first one back in 2014. That was a Renault Zoe with a range of around 100 miles. The photo is from the delivery

For >90% of my driving, including driving to a client site around 40 miles away every day, it worked well. I had off-street-parking and there was a charger in the client’s office car-park.

Longer journeys were not great. But we were a two-car family, so could always use the ICE for longer journeys.

Then I had a BMW i3 for a few years.

That had a longer range (around 150 miles) and also a range extender, which was a small petrol generator which would charge the battery as you drove. I rarely used it, but it was very handy for occasional long journeys to locations without decent charging.

I liked it a lot, except for 2 things.

The first was the doors. It has a “clever” design where there was no central pillar between the front and rear doors. The rear passenger door opened the opposite way around from normal (aka “suicide door”) and would not open unless the corresponding front door was opened. The seat belt was attached to the front door frame. This meant that, to let a rear passenger out, the front seat driver had to take their seatbelt off and leave the car. It was also impossible to let anyone in or out of the back seat when parked next to another car.

The other thing I hated was the sat-nav/infotainment system which just sucked. The BMW satnavs have a well deserved reputation for being poor. But the user interface on the whole system was awful, using a central jog-dial wheel which was supposed to be safer than a touch screen, but was far more distracting and dangerous to use, plus the general look and feel of the user interface was dreadful. They also rolled back their plans to implement Android Auto, so I ignored the BMW screen and used a phone in a cradle. I hated it so much, it prompted me to write this blog entry.

My last car was a Hyundai Kona E. Photo is on arrival day, with the i3 in the background waiting to be taken away.

That had a range of around 300 miles. That was a very nice car, and was a breath of fresh air after the BMW; it didn’t drive quite as nicely but about everything else about it was better.

Given how impressed I was with the Kona, for my current car I’ve gone for the Hyundai Ioniq 6.

This has a range of around 340 miles, so slightly more than the Kona, but it’s based on a dedicated EV platform, and has an 800V system. This means I can charge more than twice as fast as I could on the Kona; in theory up to 233 kW, whilst the Kona is limited to around 75 kW. Although, so far, most of my charges have capped out at around 175 kW.

It’s also a lot bigger car, mostly lengthways, which has taken a bit of getting used to having spent the last 10+ years driving smaller cars. It’s a bit trickier to park, but I’m now getting used to it. Where it shines is on long motorway journeys where it’s simply the most comfortable car I’ve driven for a long distance. It has funky cameras instead of wing mirrors which are kind of cool, but I worry about them getting damaged. I probably wouldn’t chose them again.

I recently have done a couple of trips from near Reading to Glasgow, Scotland. A journey of at least 6 1/2 hrs with not stopping or traffic. I did it in about 7 1/2 hours because I hate driving long distances, and I’m quite happy to stop for 45 minutes whilst it charges; I’ll stretch my legs and get something to eat.

If I start with a full charge, I could do the journey with one stop, but I’ll normally have 1 or 2 short additional stops to stretch my legs and visit the loo, grab a coffee and wake myself up a bit before continuing.

I also, quite frequently, visit family in The Wirrall and I can do that journey (normally about 3 1/2 - 4 hrs with traffic) without stopping to charge. I usually then stick it on one of the low-power lamp-post street chargers overnight (we almost always stay overnight) and have a full charge in the morning ready for the return journey.

I have had, from the start, a home charger fitted and also solar panels. But I also take advantage of electricity supply deals and normally only charge overnight at around 7.5p/kwH which means it costs me less than 3p per mile in fuel.

Have fun with the Ioniq. They are nice cars.

Cheers,

Keith

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I’m not excited about where new cars are going with regards to data collection and the sharing of that data with anyone willing to pay for it. Even less excited about features the car is equipped with that require you to pay a subscription to unlock them via software.

What’s really conflicting for me is that I’d really like a small EV car, too. I currently have a 4wd pickup truck and it’s great for the things I bought it to do - access remote places in the forests nearby, tow my small camper, haul my mountain bikes, and so on. But it’s not especially fun or useful to drive downtown, or efficient to use for a grocery run. I tend to use my wife’s hybrid Toyota for those things when possible.

I’m not yet convinced with EVs for long road trips. It’s not range anxiety (at least, not anymore). Rather, it’s the amount of time it takes to charge the thing and the extra amount of time that would add to a given trip. To visit my parents, it’s an 8-9hr drive. Given the ranges of my pickup truck and my wife’s hybrid being as similar as they are, we have to fill up once before we arrive. A full EV achieving the ranges our vehicles get (typically 450-500mi for my truck and 400-450 for the hybrid), an EV would probably need to be topped up more than once. Which would add enough time to the drive to make me think about stopping somewhere for the night.

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This video explains most of it, as regards Farm machinery it depends if they’re registered for road use.

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You would probably be better off with a straight Hybrid car, the Hyundai and Toyota hybrids are pretty efficient, but if you’re doing decent mileage a diesel hybrid would be best, they’re mostly Mercedes, and they’re pretty good!

Hybrids are the best way for you, Tesla could be an option but the Cybertruck is to me like a skip (dumpster) on wheels :grin:

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My Civic is already a hybrid, albeit an older one (2008) - I definitely cannot go back to straight gasoline after the last many years in it!

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@judi @southpaw6 @mattswain @RobDickinson @Fast-Eddie @Majik
All interesting choices, nice cars and I’m glad that you’re happy with your cars.
Keith - that’s a great collection of cars, I really like the latest one! We did look at the i3 but it was a bit tall for my wife to get out of, her back makes getting out not so easy as it used to be, that’s also the same situation with the Kona, she could get into it but getting out wasn’t as easy as with the Ioniq. She very rarely went in my Boxter, she’s got the Hyundai i10, the Ioniq is about the same to get in and out so all is good.

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I have a 3, still think they are the best overall ev but I woudlnt currently buy another tesla

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It might be arguable that they are still the best, but regardless I’m with you…until there’s some change in corporate leadership anyway…

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And that isnt going to happen. Its been a great car for 5+ years but will have to find something else one day

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Oops, that’s bordering on political :rofl:
To me Tesla’s are a great car but I really don’t like the user interface - I don’t have a degree in the right subject!

Honestly, I was thinking of things like firing the entire supercharger team. Only political in terms of corporate governance! :nerd_face: I understand your dislike for the UI - and interestingly, I much prefer it to tons of buttons and knobs. But to each his own! And seriously - removing the steering wheel stalks? No thanks…

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Yeah the stalks…

Wouldn’t get the new 3, see they are back on the new Y

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