Open Mic 27 : Recording & After-Show Chat

Great job everyone! It was a fun watch. I enjoy the wide variety and hope to join the audience live next time.

I’ve been slowly making my way through the old OMs but jumped ahead to watch this one since it just happened recently. One thing I noticed is that most of the old OM videos up through around 23 have chapters setup, but starting with 24 it seems like that is missing. I found it kind of useful to hover over as a reminder to who was playing and their forum username.

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Whoops.
My bad.
I have neglected to keep up with the task.

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Hello All…

Just watched the recording for OM 27… lots of good stuff in there!!!
Thank you all for your efforts!!!

Tod

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Thanks for the kind words Toby.

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Big shout out to all the non-performers who take the time and effort to comment on the OM. I always have an interest in watching it (at least partially), but it can be a chore to comment, esp. when you do the whole individual appraisal job like the madman here :laughing:
I see you cracked the nut of max 10 tags, Toby. There’s no need to tag the performers. as they are the ones who will read it anyway.
I would have thought you’d be too busy ‘blimming’ to write essays. Have you thought about signing up for the Justin Christmas bash? I know the streamyard has not been your ‘thing’ in the past, but maybe play something bluesy to share where you’re at? :thinking:

Au contraire, mon ami! :smiley:
Your performance was better than most, simply not to the semi-studio standard that you’ve got us used to :wink:

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Still not my thang but I’ll likely squeeze a Diary Chapter out towards the end of the year.
And yes as for BLIM up to my neck in it !!

Well, it still can makes a long review even more enjoyable to read (structured), and for the performers it may feel like a special appreciation when they receive a direct notification.

That’s an assumption I don’t completely agree with :smiley:. I haven’t watched the full recording yet, but I always set these threads to “tracking” since I’m very interested in the feedback and the discussion. I’m sure I’m not the only one!

More importantly, I really admire the courage it takes to play in front of a remote audience, especially when you largely cannot see or hear direct reactions. That alone already deserves recognition. Thanks also everyone who help with the organization of these events!

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Hi Franz, thanks for the input-
If you’re commenting on everyone’s performance you have to look up their handles to tag them and are limited to 10 per post, which is no big deal, but bothersome.

Performing at an OM is a bit like uploading an AVOYP. You see someone has commented on it because it will be bumped up to the top and be dark :smiley:
Most of us are active members and will read all the comments anyway…

Online OMs are less intimidating than real ones, as you’re in your usual environment, only being watched by familiar people who are rooting for you.
Have a think about having a go maybe? :smiley:

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Nope. Noooo. Really not… :smile: :rofl:

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Dip your toes into AOVYP a bit more to build some confidence, I see you have posted one. The OMs are a step up from that level, so ideally folks should be regular AOVYP sharers and it creates the foundation for playing in a near live environment. But hey you won’t be playing with strangers !

:sunglasses:

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Decibels is a logarithmic scale, not particularly intuitive. Every 10dB increase is a doubling in perceived sound volume. So, -6dB from clipping is perhaps only 60-70% of the perceived volume of someone at -0dB.

A picture is worth a thousand words though, and I find this inside-baseball (american term I think) stuff interesting, so maybe you and others will too Craig. Here are some examples from the OM - all from the original file before I boosted audio in some sections.

The green bit is the audio waveform.

Here’s our man @brianlarsen with his super simple setup, but great sound settings. Great volume, consistent solid volume. Notice the waveform does hit the limit - but it works well!

Here’s you @CD02. Notice how your waveform size is so much smaller - that’s because your input volume is so much lower. Your playing was louder than your talking though, that was really quiet - it’s the left-hand side of the waveform.

But your section of the recording was easy to correct as you weren’t hitting the limiter, so I could normalise it up to the limiter.

Here was one I unfortunately couldn’t boost - @Alexeyd’s second performance. The waveform is mostly small, but there were lots of dynamics in his playing. The percussive strums hit the limiter. I’m sure an advanced audio engineer would have ways to bring up the average volume but the tool I use (normalise audio in DaVinci Resolve) only allows boosting up to the dB limit, and this performance was already at it.

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Oh, that’s great @jkahn thanks for putting that together, really interesting to see. Good ole’ @brianlarsen nailed it again :rofl: :rofl:

So, just trying to fully understand this, is the “limit” as per Resolve the upper and lower limits as seen on the green area of your snippets?

When we did sound checks levels appeared ok yet they seem to be lower once recorded, is that the case? or is it how Resolve perceives the recording?

It’s seems just an adjust it on experience thing because I cannot re-create it when I record myself in Zoom, the sound seems fine then. :confounded: :thinking:

So going forward maybe set Reaper to be peaking in the 0db region ?

Great input JK, cheers, and yes the techie side of it helps fulfill my tech craving since retiring :rofl: :+1:

EDIT: Come to think of it I have Resolve, I could run some of my own level tests recording my Zoom and opening in Resolve :+1:

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Thanks, JK
I tried using some compression, but it didn’t work well with zoom. Also, in case of a classical guitar, full dynamics is more important then even volume, I think.

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Just to be clear- this is pure laziness and lack of interest in the tech side of things.
My thinking is that Zoom is designed for simple audio-visuals, so the only thing I adjust is the mic level and the original sound function.
Debutants to the OMs should take solace in this, inasmuch as it is simple and works well :smiley:
For everyone running their chain through DAWs and OBS with virtual cables etc., hats off to you. You are learning skills and deepening your understanding of how things work. This is invaluable stuff and will stand to you good stead as you crack the nuts.
Low sound levels don’t worry me at all. I have one of those volume knobs at my fingertips that I can twiddle whenever I like :wink:

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Green part, yes. The audio is stereo, but the source audio is mono so identical through both channels, so the waveform looks mirrored. Silence/0% volume is middle. Peak/100% volume is when the wave touches the outside of the green area.

I wasn’t around for most of the sound check, I would assume it was actually not OK, it would have been too quiet but people turned the volume up on their end. The recording would be the same as the VC. It has nothing to do with Resolve, that’s just the software I used to edit the video. The same principle applies for all digitally recorded audio I know of (with or without video).

I would suggest generally maximising volume to as loud as you can without hearing bad distortion from clipping. Exactly what that is will depend on what you’re playing.

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Dan - thanks for the prompt to get the job done … I have spent my morning going back through Open Mics 24, 25, 26 & 27 and adding times for each performer. And the task is now complete - on Youtube and in the Archive topic here. JustinGuitar Community Open Mic Events - Video Archives

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Kudos and good vibes for retrospectively viewing the archive recordings.
I’m sure many newer folk would find value, as you seem to be.
:slight_smile:

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Definitely interesting seeing its evolution :+1:

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I was hoping more of something along the lines of ‘archiving them behind a secure password…’ :roll_eyes: :rofl:

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Thanks Richard! You’re the best!

I just finished up making my way through them and it was great. I feel like I got to know the performers a little better. It was great to see everyone evolve as time went on. There were a lot of stellar performances, but it was also great watching some of the newer guitar players pushing through the fear and gain confidence as they did a few more.

@brianlarsen - Don’t you dare lock them behind a password! :rofl: (p.s. I will never look at a ukelele again w/o hearing your ukelele song in my head. Edit: on second thought maybe they should be locked up to prevent this affliction from spreading. Or at least a strong warning edited into the videos where you pull out the ukelele. :rofl:)

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It’s interesting to see the technical side of that JK. I’ve been thinking about that a bit for whenever I join in.

I’m primarily using Linux, so my setup is going to be a bit different from the instructions I’ve seen posted elsewhere here, but I think I found a setup that will work while testing out routing audio from Reaper directly into Discord. I’m guessing it would be similar for routing into Zoom.

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