Sharing of the Community OM audience link

Iā€™ve moved it, Toby

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Personally I think the way it works today worksā€¦ if people want to watch it they request to be in the audienceā€¦ never seen a post from anyone that said they couldnā€™t join OR that the current approach is a blocker to join.

The above said I suspect if we simply posted the link we would possibly get an uptick on audience members but that comes potentially with other issues particularly as on zoom we encourage audience participation (so anyone can post audio/video/chat). So possibly more for OM mods to manage and to be observant of.

I whole heartedly agree with Toby the aim was to create a ā€œpositiveā€ ā€œsafeā€ space for live performance ( the next step from AVOYP) . We could all be critical of performances but the aim is to focus on the positivesā€¦. Most people can spot where improvement is required. Thatā€™s a message/ethos we shouldnā€™t lose.

What I would definitely be against is posting the audience link more broadly than within the community. The OM works BECAUSE itā€™s a small gathering. The pre/post chat are a nice bookend to the performances and because the performer list is growing gradually then people get to know each other. I really couldnā€™t imagine it working if we got
Lots and lots of people (even just in the audience).

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I think that more is less in this caseā€¦ just quickly yelling ā€œToby Audienceā€ works perfect :blush: :sunglasses:ā€¦ that way you know a bit who is watching and that gives you peace of mind as a performer(I don`t know) but also as an audience (I know)ā€¦ after all, you are watching people in the living room (including the audience there rooms)ā€¦
But I support whatever the organizers choose :smiley: :sunglasses:

Edit: Lets do a vote Iā€™ve known how to do that for an hour :joy:

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As a rookie to playing in public, I like Tobyā€™s description of a positive safe space with a small audience like it is now.

I can also understand the point of view that some veteran players may want to reach a broader audience just like the Livestream.

I guess that itā€™s normal that rookie and veteran have different goals. Itā€™s hard to 100% please both group, but I guess that the fact that there are 2 kind of events (Open Mic and Livestream) can help.

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Lets not please.

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Sorry , was really a joke :blush: ā€¦ the organizer is the boss here as far as Iā€™m concerned :sunglasses:, and a good discussion is nice :sunglasses:
Greetings

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@brianlarsen Brian have you seen the amended Performer Criteria Richard published earlier ? This may explain why audience requests and recorded attendance remain key going forward. This could not happen (easily) if the link was freely available. Let alone all the other reasons that we have debated too many times before. :sunglasses:

You hit the nail on the head Matt. Precisely that reason. But I would add that some sign up for the Livestream as they see it a way of showing support for Justin and all he does. :sunglasses:

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As someone who has seen explicit video :scream: and content :face_vomiting: maliciously shared into zoom meetings to unwitting attendees along with experiencing coordinated ā€œZoom bomberā€ attacks that completely destroy sessions :sob:, I am opposed to open Zoom meeting links being advertised anywhere public.

In saying that, there are ways to manage this safely if the correct measures are used.

However, Iā€™m not in favour of changing the current OM set up which I think works great and as Toby and others have mentioned above is structured that way for good reasons.

Instead, maybe those interested in this next step could instead use the mini-gig format but run it in a hybrid fashion whereby the ā€œin-personā€ audience attends on zoom (with mics and cameras on) via the same process as used for the OMs but then we also live stream it onto YouTube (using Zoomā€™s live stream option) so that can be shared publicly to a wider audience.

This would maintain the integrity of the OMs but give the community a separate platform (outside Justinā€™s live streams) for performing to a larger audience if they so wish. Therefore you get the advantage of a friendly ā€œin-personā€ audience giving you cheers and claps along with more diverse(?) responses from the public YouTube audience. Best of both worlds? :thinking: :wink:

I would be happy to tech support this option if anyone or any group wished to try it (assuming it was approved by the moderators).

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Anyone in the community is welcome to come to one of the OMs as audience, the Zoom link being send privately via DM isnā€™t going to change though - for precisely the reasons @nzmetal mentioned - disruptors, trolls, porn, naked people, all sorts.

For those that arenā€™t as tech-in-tune, there are bots that crawl the internet looking for public zoom meeting links. It would be a disaster.

However, the streaming to YouTube aā€™la the livestream is an option and something we are planning on trialling soon, there is just some rearranging of youtube channels going on first. Itā€™s unclear if itā€™s going to be something we do ongoing as that could move away from the private-group-safe-space mentality to more of a public performance mentality.

We want to encourage participation going forward. Itā€™s super easy to register for the audience, thereā€™s not really much easier than saying ā€œcan I be in the audience pleaseā€.

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Weā€™re OK with the tech side of this one Jeff :wink:. But the OM steering group all do know youā€™re a total zoom pro and that youā€™re willing to help with stuff!

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Thanks buddy, you guys are doing great work! :sunglasses: :+1:

:rofl: wouldnā€™t want to suggest something without offering to help of course though! :wink: :joy:

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ā€¦ Like Justinā€™s Livestream on Saturday night? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Naw, seriously, I think some folks are getting the wrong impression of where Iā€™m coming from.
I have no interest in wanting to increase viewing numbers either live or after the event. In fact, the opposite is the case.

For me the Community open mics have always been about a bunch of guitar enthusiasts getting together on an evening, chewing the fat and sharing what theyā€™re up to. The audience aspect of it (live or recorded) is primarily for inclusiveness, to show that itā€™s no big deal, and that anyone of any standard is welcome. If people want to watch and comment, great; if not, theyā€™re no less enjoyable.

Of course the current system works (and well too) :smiley:
Iā€™m just not a fan of unnecessary rules/form filling/bureaucracy. (Maybe Iā€™ve been living in the Republic of Merseyside too long :roll_eyes:)
When I brought this up before, the main reason for not sharing the link was fear of outside disruptors/trolls. Iā€™m confident this would not be a problem in this community.
If the main reason is malicious bots now, well thatā€™s a different kettle of fish, which I will leave to the techhies to advise on.

Anyway, the overall consensus appears to be carry on rocking all over the world with the Status Quo, with which I am more than happy. Personally, I think simultaneous YT livestream broadcast would be undesirable, as it creates an extra layer of admin and turns it more into an exhibition/showcase rather than friendly get-together.

Iā€™m happy for this thread to be closed and drift into obscurity unless anyone else has useful contributions.

Itā€™s Monday morning and I have a monarchy to toppleā€¦ :wink:

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I also did not think of the troll/bot aspect, just thought public would only be able to watch or comment, not join to audio or video. Then I agree it does not work.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(Just about fell over laughing so had to respond to above! Will now go sushā€¦ :shushing_face: :wink: :joy: )

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I understood your point Brian ie post the link in the CFI directly rather than via DMs.

If it opens us up to the risk of the link being picked up from the Community via a BOT and that risk has a significant liklihood then not worth making a change.

From a streaming perspective, if we did that then it would be to a JG Community channel (work in progress on setting that up, which will be where all the OM videos will be posted) not Justinā€™s channel. But I donā€™t immediately see a need for that (once we have trialled it) or significant benefit. One benefit would be that thereā€™d be no video post-processing. OTOH the post processing allows us to edit out bits where required.

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I think with this coming on top of the Livestream folks may have got carried away, with your well documented reasoning for a visible link. 2 + 2 = :thinking: thinking:

I know you are just trying to make life easier for everyone, Performers, Audience and Organisers and appreciate that motive. But as has been said there some dodgy :poop: going on out in tā€™interweb these days and we still need to protect Justinā€™s brand reputation, after all we are still part of the JS planet. And we still get the occasional troll sign up and muddy the waters. Easy for them to hijack an openly visible link for nefarious activates. Fortunately our mods are quick to spot and isolate/remove these unwelcome visitors, especially the :boomerang: type.

On your closing statement, give me a bell if you need a hand Senor Quixote, Iā€™ll grab my lance. :rofl:

In the pinned OM post

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And on Richardā€™s final amplification, I think we are done here

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