Tip: Memorizing songs (building layers)

Iv’ noticed many beginner are approaching songs too “one dimensional”,
too much in a sequence of notes, trying to learn the EXACT notes that are being played from the beginning, trying to learn more
Many learn it it “bar by bar”…and end up knowing about 20 intros of songs but they can not accompany a single complete song if they were asked.

I was like that Here’s what I learned here

Building blocks

When I learn a song; I work my way up from the bottom, in layers

first I see that I get the main structure…
What are the main building blocks?
An intro?
a Verse,
a chorus?
a bridge?

Then I make up the chords for each of these sections and learn to play it through, just jamming the main chords in the first easy strumming pattern I play on auto pilot and see if it fits the vibe of the song. I notice which chords are common in the song, which only occur in choruses or bridges and make them the part that makes them stand out. Yet I simplify and use simple major and minor chords here. Just that. Using major and minor chords on the right places is enough to be the “meat and potatoes” of your song.

Sure, these blocks are placed in a certain order and they make up the song
A chorus or verse less wouldn’t harm the song but the basic structure is the basics.
It will still sound like the song, as long as your main blocks are built correctly.

Forget single notes for now; RHYTHM IS KING!

Focus on the rhythm, the flow, make sure your chords follow each other nicely when playing it though. When quick chord changes occor, you can even omit a hard change, knowing you can implement it later when the rest is going on auto pilot.

If you get which chords go in which block; you can rearrange the main structure as you please. note that I don’t play the lead lines yet; I just work through the chords. If I don’t feel like learning the solo; I can improvise my own picking over the chords. I KNOW the chords for the solo so I will never be lost…

You can play a whole song and don’t even have to memorize any leads yet. A song won’t fail if you let out a solo and improvise something. It WILL fail if you stumble upon things you can not do yet. the level below is always the failsafe. Feel comfortable to drop to it when necessary; peopel won’t even notice…

Simplify <-> embellish

Then I work myself up some more and try to figure out (or create my own) picking patterns and lead lines. If I forget or decide to play them in a certain fashion; I can always drop down a level for that block… as I know the chords. don’t be afraid to simplify strumming patterns. As long as the main rhythm is right, don’t focus on copy’ing strumming patterns or pickign patterns to much. Keep the flow steady and as long as that works, you make it as complex or basic as you want

When you’re able to do this, You can play your song through and you make it sound quite “real” already.

  • Simplify where needed (a solo can be replaced with just the chord progression that is played under the solo.
  • Embellish where there is room. If you want to spice up a basic chord progression, add Sus variations, try changing between regular and 7 or 9 chords … You are still playing rhythm but you create a melody within rhythm. Still not doing a solo and yet the listerener has the room to listen to your embellishments.

Play these songs a lot of course; and play a handful of different songs instead of just one
It’s beter to know 5 songs in a basic structure than 1 for 60% and then just stop playing in the middle of the solo. Play a lot; work on multiple songs, reprise what needs attention. The songs will be pretty basic in the beginning but on day 3 or 4 you will be adding layers to your first songs while you learn some extra, new songs on the basic level that day.

As days progress, you play a number of songs but every day you add some things to it. Like the “decorations” layer. You feel confident in the song, you can fall back to a lower level if necessary but if it goes well; add another level by adding those decorations; some nifty picking; some rhythm double-timing, some harmonics, etc.

my repertoire is the product of this layered method. Some songs have parts that go “high” in this layering but keep some verses or choruses very basic.
Still today, songs get expanded and layers are added.

Make it YOUR version; recognizeable enough but no carbon copy of the original

Here’s another tip: If you freed yourself from dogma that covers need to be copies of the song; learn to improvise over chords.

Try a lot, play alot

Improvisation can be:

  • little licks
  • a certain picking pattern (or like I do; make up a picking pattern on the spot)
  • timing variation while respecting the rhythm
  • mixing strums and picking

If you learn to apply some randomness over chords you use a lot; you can re-use these tricks in many songs. That’s why learning chord variations make you sound less boring. The particular choice of playing chord variations (or only parts of chords) makes you develop your own style of “covering songs” some more. when I see a Dmajor chord I seldom play “just” a Dmaj…I play parts of it, I play Dsus2, Dsus4 strum, pick, play a lick that fits the chords…

btw, methods mix and match;
never underestimate the combo of fingerpicking patterns and random chords embellishments!

rats; I could go on like this…perhaps I should write a little guide: “making songs your own” :)

Mastering several songs at once

sure. I never focus on mastering a complete song at once

Perhaps you can find some inspiration out of my personal method. I don’t claim it to be “THE way to go” but it has got me this far…I take up serval songs at once because I work through the horizontal layers and not the note-for-note timeline.

work up in layers:

  • bottom layer; chord and song structure
  • throw over some decorations and mini-fills
  • learn the licks / and or solo’s
  • a perfecting, finishing layer, the one that you find is NEVER perfect and you keep perfecting through your whole career :)

I sometimes learn a little solo quite early, but the moment of learning it depends on the difficulty, length and appeal… some solo’s you just want to try out right away :)

if you do serveral songs at once (but not too much, about 2 to 5) it doesn’t really matter in what phase you are.

Because you learn the structure of one song, you’re doing the solo’s of another and already “applying eternal layers of finish” on a song you quite mastered, you never get bored.

I try to employ the “pareto rule”; achieve 80% of the result with 20% of the total effort.
find out which basics things bring you the most result and give a lower priority to all that 80% effort to achieve that quality increase of 20%… becasue in the meantime you have a good song quite fast, and you have all the time afterwards to perfect it.
this means, in a whole, more result in less time.

A song can really “age” while being in your repertoire…even after several years, flavour can be added!

In the meantime, you HAVE been playing a worthy, complete song. It only gets BETTER.
It would be a shame if you put so much time in it and never use it before oyu think it is perfect!

I once started to learn “tears in heaven” note for note.
It was before I knew this site and and wondered how it was possible to do all these notes at once etc. I learned some chords thanks to J’s video’s and I figured out that a lot of the notes were arpeggiated notes in a chord.
I learned a basic version years ago and about 2 years ago; I started to fill it in more.
It was only yesterday that I learned some extra fills and a less boring version of that birdge-kinda-thing near the end of the song.

So I knew a good amount of the song but I took some time later to make it better because I couldn’t do it back then.
(my technique wasn’t as fluent). but in the meantime, I had a song that was still “good enough”.
I will be playing it for my family again next weekend (annueal fmaily weekend), as I did last year, but better.
of course; I also have some new tunes in my repertoire and they will get a upgraded version of my “sultans of swing” too. :)

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LievenDV Thank you this was wonderful! advice and tips!

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@LievenDV, lots of good advice here.

I’m getting a lot of value out of making my own lead sheets. I copy the best one I can find online into my word processor, and label each section (verse, chorus, bridge, etc) in bold…this gives me the basic structure.

If necessary, I’ll do further edits, usually to get the chord change timing and vocal phrasing exactly right, since this is something I struggle with.

Then I practice while looking at the lead sheet for a while…this really helps me to “practice perfectly”.

Then, practice without the lead sheet to commit it to memory.

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Lieven.

This is wonderful advice. I’m still new at this and need lots of work on strumming and playing in time. I have about 10 songs or so I run through to practice. Is that too many at a level 2 learner? I find that playing the same song over and over can cause me to lose interest. So I rotate to something new to challenge myself. I still have lots to learn- you are a wealth of knowledge. Duizand Dank:)

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Don’t worry,
If you need variation to stay fresh, try it.
As long as you don’t regress and still make progress, it will facilitate different chord changes etc.
If you notice progress is going slow or you start forgetting stuff, cut back on the number of songs.

Actually, you are in the right spot to set a “10 song goal”.
learn all about building repertoire and check goal #3! :wink:

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“Well heres another fine mess” Overwhelming,this really helps me figure out ,think things through.Thanks

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Wonderful tip, thanks Lieven!
That’s something I have to learn, because I still have that mindset of learning songs 100% like the original and after 3+ years of playing I know only 5 songs from start to finish and a few dozens of riffs and intros.

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I’m a meat and potatoes man, a single layer cake :roll_eyes: :rofl:

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@brianlarsen

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I’ve just now seen this thread for the first time. So many things I’ve been thinking and worried about were answered by reading this.

It all makes great sense. I know myself and I’ll struggle with being patient in the building of the layers. Sounds like it’s going to take a loads and loads of time to get a song to sound good and really fun to listen to. This both makes sense and is disheartening. Learning to be ok with a song being stripped down to the simplest form, and that being all I know for awhile, is going to be difficult but I see why it’s necessary.

There’s also the frustration that everything is so hard as a beginner. Its taken over a year just to get some chord changes to flow smoothly with a couple different strumming patterns. And I know absolutely zero technique even after 18 months and 15 of Justin’s modules. If this is how long it takes to learn a few songs, i def will be stuck as a single layer player, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it wasn’t my goal when I decided to start this journey and still isn’t now.

Would it be possible to find the most descriptive and useful posts like this original post and pin them to some front or top board? Be it a long description or explanation on specific techniques, or on importance of specific mindsets for overcoming frustrations, or these kinds of highly detailed methodologies, these kinds of posts are some of the most helpful I’ve read on the entire site. They get buried under all the daily coversation and most of us never benefit frim these detailed explanations. Even searching using the search bar doesn’t help a ton for some of the most frustrating areas of learning because there’s just so many topics started.

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Very good, thank you!

Wow, a very inspirational post. I kinda understood this idea, but was happy to read it laid out so clearly.
My first guitar teacher used to say: “You’ll have to keep feeding this song for some time”.

But even cottage pie has layers :wink: