All good stuff although there’s a lot of bingo-lingo in this thread; some at least I know in name but do not understand sufficiently to have the ‘complete picture’ joined up in my synapses.
All I have gleaned are pov’s that seem, to me at least, to be two sides of the same coin … 
I have referred myself to that bloke who usually talks in language I understand … @Richard_close2u
Keep it fun … 