Valve Amp - Recommendations

Soā€¦ Itā€™s time to start looking into a valve amp.

If you have a hollow body or semi-hollow body guitar and a valve amp.

  1. What do you like about the amp you use.

  2. What donā€™t you like.

If you could change it would you and what would you get.

Iā€™m looking to get an amp for my Heritage semi-hollow body.

Looking for a combo amp with some effects, reverb, delay and so forth.

Cap the price at Ā£2k, no I will not be spending anything like that so this is to keep it sensible.

50w is more than sufficient for the flat, no more than 2 speakers. Suitable for rock tones, blues and maybe some light Jazz but thatā€™s a big maybe lol.

I was getting a little biased in searching, on Heritage site the demo vids use Bad Cat and Andertons demoed on a Bad Cat too, hence I would like your opinions.

R

i got Peavey Classic 30. Love the sound of my telecasters with it.

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why? is it GAS or do you need to fill some gap in your collection of stuff? Knowing this may help point you toward better options.

I still like having my processor. one thing, lots of models. Cost is far lower than buying pedals and amps.

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IDK how the real amp compares to the NDSP model but it sounds great

20w, 1x12 , reverb, tremolo and a built in attenuator

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Hi Rachel, ya just gotta know Iā€™d reply to this oneā€¦ :wink:

I got two valve amps. I play both a hollow body Casino and a solid body (reverend double agent w) thru them.

I like them both.

The valve amps I got are a Supro Blues King 12 (15w)(about $800 new, got mine for $400 used) and a '65 Fender Princton Reverb (12w) reissue (about $1500 new, got mine new for about 1100 w/a discount cupon from my local music store, 20% off 1399).
What I donā€™t like first.
The supro. Well, the handle broke while carrying it. Supro replaced at no charge. I had to put it on. The on/off switches seem kinda cheap. Iā€™m not big into top controls which the supro has. plus, the knobs are small and the line on the knob is near invisible so very hard to ā€˜seeā€™ where the control is set at. Granted, I guess yer supposed to use your ears for that. Lastly, the control words are upside down when viewed from the front. Only thing good about that is there ainā€™t so many controls that ya can memorize where and what ea. control is. This amp has a boost and gain switch to add more of either. Neither are controllable other than on or off (with foot sw. if ya want). But they both add vol. when switched on. The gain more so. Like quite a bit of vol increase over where ya got the vol at before switching it on. The boost, less so, but still a slight increase in vol. which may not be what I want. I mostly donā€™t use the gain. Itā€™s really high gain. About the only songs I play w/ that on is Revolution and god save the queen. Both high gain songs. The boost I use maybe a third of the time. It gets to EOB a shade sooner with the boost on.
Lastly, the supro has no tremolo. I like tremolo. And itā€™s too loud if ya turn it up.

The prri, about the only thing I donā€™t like about it is no master volume. I love the tones at 6, but itā€™s just to darn loud to play at home on 6. I usually play at about 4-4.5 which is just about where the tubes start to overdrive. Still, pretty loud at 4.5 too. The vol increase between 4 and 5 is very notable. 4 is to loud to play with my wife home. 3 I can get away with if I ainā€™t strumming hard. I can do 4 if I use the vol. control on the guitar to tame the volume.

What I do like.
The supro. I love the cleans. Very chimey. Bell like. The reverb works well and I set it at about 1/3 on. Pretty much leave it there. It has a master vol. which is most usable. I play a lot w/o any boost or gain on. I use the pre vol. to add any dirt that I want. Adds pre amp distortion. Or I also go the other way to. pre vol. low, master vol. up. This adds amp distortion. Different kinds of gain, amp vs pre amp gain. This is useful.
The supro is also pretty portable. I like to play on my back stoop. If I want to do elec. on the back stoop, the supro is the go to as the cab is small and weight is 28lbs. Easy to tote around. Fwiw, donā€™t let the small cab spook you. It sounds like a much bigger amp than it is. Ya can even get to much bass out of it if ya turn the bass up. I like the tone controls on this amp too. They really do, do something when ya twist them. So much so that if ya turn all tone controls to zero, there is no sound out of the amp. Unless ya turn the reverb to max and the master vol to max. Then ya get this washy full reverb sound. Not so useful, but is kinda cool. Iā€™ve not seen other amps that do this.
I also like that I can control the vol. of this amp very well. I get the tones or dirt that I want an near any vol. sounds good quite, sounds good loud.

The prri,
It just has great tone. Closest contenders when I got it was a tone king imperial or the boogie california tweed. Both add another $1000 to the bill though. I never got to play the california tweed, no one had one, but I did play the imperial mkII. Fwiw, I liked the prri better.
The prri has great reverb. I usually set it at 2-3. This is foot switchable which is a win (the supro reverb is not foot switchable, a negative). The prri also has tremolo which is foot switchable. All I can say about that tremolo is wow, itā€™s great and I use it often.
I also like the extreme minimal controls. 2 band eq with works well and Iā€™ve not missed the mid control. There is no extra anything on this amp, and I like that. It is what it is.
I never had a amp w/ a 10ā€™ā€™ speaker in it and was skeptical. But Iā€™ve not had issue with the 10ā€™ā€™ speaker, though I do think that if ya turn it up real loud, it may become a bit flubby on the bass. Donā€™t really know though, I ainā€™t never turned it up to the max.

In the end. I like both these amps. They are different flavors. They are both crisp and clean, both can get real dirty. Both work very well in my small house playing by my self. Both are too loud if thatā€™s your thing albeit, from reading, neither are giggable amps if ya do that. I guess they canā€™t get over a drummer that plays loud. The cure to that is to mic them from what I get.

As for what Iā€™d change if I could. There really ainā€™t anything Iā€™d change. They do what I want. I researched them well I guess prior to buying as I really do like both of them. Guess if I really think about it, I might consider a Supro Amulet as I think itā€™s got tremolo and a power level control. However them two things are not a deal breaker as I really like the tone of the blue king 12. I use a external tremolo pedal with this amp to get my tremolo.

fwiw. From what I understand. A tube amp with 50w and 2 speakers is gonna blow ya away in volume. Food for thought. 50w solid state and 50w tube are two different things. I play a solid state 80w peavey bandit. While itā€™s louder than either of the tube amps, itā€™s not that much louder. All three are too loud so I never get there to try that out.

Good luck in your decision and imho, your heading the right directionā€¦ :wink:

Last comment. While I love my tube amps. I play the solid state bandit a lot durning the day. Reason being is that I think ya can turn a ss amp on and off and on and off as much as ya want. Tube amps, they gotta warm up a few min. prior to playing + I aniā€™t convinced that tube amps like to be turned on and off multi times a day, especially on/off, on/off all within a hour. Solid state I think works better for this behavior, which I have.

imho, get a tube amp. They are the catā€™s meow. Theyā€™re dynamic when ya play them. Iā€™d guess your Heritage would sound oh so sweet through a tube amp. Itā€™s what that guitar deserves to be played though. imho.

edit. sorry about the long post. It really is to long. My apology.

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A 50w valve amp will blow your windows out.

I donā€™t have any semi-hollow guitars but I do have valve amps. The piece I uploaded on my LL is using a Fender Blues junior (15W) for the clean Strat sound with reverb and the Les Paul lead is through an Orange amp on 7watts. Both have 12" Celestions. The Orange can get mighty dirty and the Fender is great for clean. The Fender would probably break up too but I donā€™t think the neighbours would be too happy. A 15w Fender amp is mighty loud. I believe some of the newer smaller Marshalls are good but I havenā€™t heard them

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No. !

I have a piano from years ago , its all solid state , weighted keys and all the blub. Its nice and sounds great and all , butā€¦ If you a compare a grand piano (electric) to a steinway. Enough said, I think you get where my thoughts are. I have the time and the money to fit it in, so no time like the present.

I dont think the Katana will ever do the Heritage any justice

R

TY, Iā€™ll check this out

Rachel.

If you have an AI you can try the demo of NeuralDSPā€™s version , probably nor identical but its a good 2 in 1 fender sounding amp

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Thanks for this.
I do , and they have a free trials on all their pluggins :). Need to get my timing right on that to get the most from the time available.

R

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Hi,

Most tube amps does not come with built in digital effects. The only two that I can think of with built-in delay would be these heads:

Iā€™m sure there are others, but probably not many.

A lot of the tube amps DOES come with a decent reverb thoughā€¦ so perhaps the best way forward for you is still a small(ish) tube combo, and then put a couple of pedals in the loop?

As for power - 50W is probably a bit much for home use, but something like 10W is definitely not too bad. It also depends a lot on the cab / speakers in the combo. Iā€™ve played 10W and 15W tube amps at home - and itā€™s loud, but not unbearably loud. Not loud enough for a live gig for example (especially clean tones).

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Hi Rachal ,

I have A PRS Vela semi-hollow and a VOX AC15 C1 that is a 15 watt amp that, at half power, bothers the neighbors quite a bit if i should play all day or in the eavening (witch I don`t :blush:) in our well-insulated walls ā€¦On the boost channel itā€™s a different cookie, it goes a lot harder, beautiful reverb and a great distortion that can be dialed in without pedals (which I do have of course :roll_eyes:)
Very happy with it, if you have any more questions let me know.

Greetings and have fun looking further :smiley: :sunglasses:

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If you are using a valve amp at home or for recording Iā€™d suggest you look for something that has a master volume control. Valve amps are generally loud and to get a nice breakup sound will likely require volume - a master volume control will give you more sound options without a lawsuit from nextdoor.

Iā€™ve got a Mesa Boogie 25w amp which is crazy loud and Iā€™ve only once taken it to 10 as an experiment! It will damage your hearing quickly :slight_smile:
The Mesa does have a master volume, but I also use an attenuator (Bugera PS1) to give me more options.

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TY for this, I remember reading abot the handle :roll_eyes: , Iā€™ll definately need volume controll. Interesting that everyone is saying that a large valve amp will be to much so I had a quick read and now have some understing as to why they are lolā€¦

So, yes, a 15w is probably more like the right size. I already new they donā€™t like the constant on/off.

I didn;t mind the long post, great :slight_smile:

R

Thanks for your input

Great input from everyone, alrady been a great help and given me much more to look at .

Thanks all.

R

When I hear your use case; I would go for a separate head and cabinet.
Going for the modular approach offers more flexibility for the future.
A head with a line out can also be plugged in a cab sim box which can go to a mixing desk.
As said, they often donā€™t come with effects or just a reverb. You can add pedals or a multipf in the fx loop though.
The modular approach will give you the option to easily change/add smaller or bigger cabinets later. 2 speakers and 50w will blow out your windows at home indeed :smiley: Being able to create a setup that can be plugged in live in a bigger rig but also in a smaller setup at home while retaining most settings is ideal.

Also; consider your goal. If the goal is to ā€œhave a great soundā€/ā€œbe flexibleā€/have bang for buck; consider whether you actually need big, heavy gear :wink: | donā€™t underestimate digital technology these days

About the Tone King suggestion:

A friend of mine used to have a Tone king amp and it sounded GREAT! We used it for our band when we were still doing classic rock. He sold it to buy a kemper though.

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Donā€™t forget that you can buy an attenuator to reduce the level of your guitar input before the amp can reach critical mass and blow the walls out :grin:

Check out Andertons TV regarding amps and attenuators on YouTube.

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Iā€™m not likely to buy a real one I have the NDSP plugin haha

But the real one also has a built in atenuator , its pricey though but it has it

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A word of warning @mathsjunky too. I got a Bugera attenuator (relatively cheap) over a year ago. In order to dissipate the energy that would normally go to speakers it absorbs the heat. At first mine got hot so I assumed that it was doing itā€™s job but after a while I noticed that it stayed cool and Iā€™m thinking, whereā€™s all that energy and heat going; back into the amp? So I stopped using it rather than damage the amp.

Now if I had a 2K budget I would get an Ox attenuator which has cab simulations built in and outputs to speakers too. I donā€™t understand people who use an attenuator to quiet things down but then plug it into a 4x12. The 4x12ā€™s four speakers are moving 4 times the air as a 1x12 so is louder. Iā€™m with @LievenDV in that I would get a separate head and a small cab. My Orange only has a ā€œtoneā€ control and no effects nor loop. I love itā€™s simplicity.

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@roger_holland I forgot about the Vox, that must be a great amp Roger! It has the same valves as my Orange.