Gotta start somewhere !
So we can just write a chorus and make it a whole song?
Chorus - chorus - chorus - chorus?
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Dear Participants,
@DeltaTyne
@Kate_South
@JokuMuu
@metramaks
possibly:
@judi (probably not now?) Judi, it is not meant to be a long project
@CD02 (skill level: definitely fine / motivation: not sure)
@Lisa_S (very probably not at the moment!)
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has everyone read Justinās Lesson I linked above? (" Starting Writing Songs")
if not, please do so so we know we talk about the same thing. -
Do you have questions or comments/wishes about the proceeding?
a) choose song
b) replace lyrics
c) replace chords -
Should we all start from the same song? that we should then choose in the next step.
It should be a song in a rather usual form - that you like a lot of course.
I think it would be interesting. But everyone can choose a different song, if you prefer, of course.
My thought is anyone can decide soon if they prefer to do it all alone, or to work in a team (of two possibly?)
Alone is straightforward and efficient, no fighting 
involved
vs.
in teams I think you can work in pairs that complement each other.
Weāll find a way to discuss things that would be too much or too private for the forum. I am at it, but if you have suggestions in the matter, please make them!
I am looking forward to hearing from you,
Dominique
yes, makes sense and Iāve heard that more than once! Maybe we can start another thread - for everyone. not just our challenge - to share their prefered songwriting related tips, pages or videos? Iāll have a few for certain.
But thereās no āSongwritingā Category. Would it better go into " Meeting Place & Online Collaborations" or šØ Just Chatting - JustinGuitar Community?
Maybe @Richard_close2u can help!?
Ok, Correction - thereās a Songwriting category under āProductionā. Maybe a bit hidden, but itās there!
We can. Iām all for it. Sounds like a fun idea 
Sure we can collect song writing advice in the correct thread trying to keep the community organized. At the moment pieces of good advice can be found in many places. Darrel @DarrellW has e.g. shared a great link here:
leave AI out of it though if you can help it, surely. what about a job for real poets like me?
I almost agree with this.
actualy, songs dont even need to rhyme, there are heaps of famous songs (at least, in my playlists) that have little or no rhyming. I only realised that they didnāt when I started writing my own songs, and wentā¦hang on a minuteā¦what about Calypso for example? where are the rhymes? answer: there are none 
maybe this is something others already knew or thought, but it was a new discovery for me. but then also, I maybe shouldnāt attempt this, as I am not very talented 
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Iām with you on most AI in music criticism. If it enables someone to be creative and realize music dreams, which otherwise could not be realized, itās perfectly fine for me though.
Checked āCalypsoā. Almost no obvious rhyme except for tell - well - swell. And the tell -well rhyme thing is a big part of what shapes the structure of the chorus.
Hmmā¦ Donāt underestimate yourself 
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Yes, I have read, what Justin says there, and I have worked with replacing lyrics like that now and again. Itās an interesting technical exercise - not only when it comes to syllable count and metrics, but also when it comes to the sound of words.
I do love the idea of working in teams; however big they may be. Each of these teams starting with the same song sounds like an interesting challenge or project.
Maybe, since we are reaching more pragmatic issues, it would really be a good idea to move the discussion to group DMs for now?
Ask and you shall recieve!
The song writing section you found is a Justin lesson specific section - so only Justin created topics in there that relate directly to his online lessons.
However, I am in the process of shifting things around and have created a new sub-section in the Community Hub area for song writing!
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Hi Richard,
I was a bit quick when I searched āsongwritingā yesterday in a hurry, after posting, because I remembered having read threads about songwriting advice somewhere. Yes, of course, itās lesson related space! And you already shifted those threads where they fit better! Great!
Thank you a lot for creating that category!
Cheers,
Dominique
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Some of you have shared that you have started writing songs, but not finished them.
Zuri West wrote a song (Haubi Songs) that describes just that. Hereās my translation (from the Swiss)
Half-songs are like gunslingers
They lie around on my couch
Sippinā Tequilla all day
Strutting in their half-finished verses
Messing around with their pistols
Without the slightest hint of shame
They see themselves shooting up the charts
Half-songs are the worst
Half-songs are like gunslingers
Always threatening a showdown
Hanging around corridors and stairwells
Iām almost afraid to go home
Scraps of crumpled paper in every corner
Half-ideas
Wondering how theyāll end up
And every day, the stagecoach brings more
This one was hiding behind the fridge
Late last night
It made its move and reached for its gun
But I finished it offā¦
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Hi all just catching up with everyone, I have been busy this weekend with the community actually, just trying to understand and learn how different things work and with help from Toby and others I have posted a link of me playing for Blim this took a lot of effort for me and I am still not up to speed with Tech, for example, the YT vids above I click on them and I am told to sign in to make sure I am not a bot? Little things like that hinder me so, to all I am and will help but I will need to take my time I hope you all understand. I am just catching up with all thatās been posted so I will be chatting when we need to move on thank you all HEC
Hec, that does sound somewhat unusual. The videos donāt play for you and you are asked to sign in to Youtube? Have yout tried to use a different browser? Do the same issues occur then as well?
Hi Nicole, I Just sent a DM to answer your message, however like I say Iām just learning so Iām not sure sometimes I click on them and they play other times I get that message anyway I am sure I will work it out with help from the community cheers Hec
I guess I cant complain too much about using AIā¦after all, I do use it to make pictures for my novel 
I seeā¦still, thats very little, and the verses are basically no rhyming. still an interesting thing to consider
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Hello Friends,
I was hoping to get more replies to the post from a few days ago, here again a copy below:
What do you think?
Are you still motivated?
Iāll start anyway, if necessary, only by myself - but itās more fun together, I think.
All the best,
Dominique
Hi Dominique, sorry I didnāt reply! 
I havenāt been following this thread daily becauseā¦unfortunately I donāt have enough neurons to add any songwriting to my current learning. 
I do love the enthusiasm around this, and hope to be able to join in (though as a novice) in the future!
Iāve just finished writing the lyrics for a song about the Environmental Crisis and itās turned out quite interesting. Not quite sure what genre to pitch it at presently but shall probably throw it at AI to help with ideas to see what it fits with. Iām half thinking Metal or Blues.
Hereās the lyrics:
(Verse 1)
In shadows where the rivers bleed,
Echoes of natureās final plea,
Frozen whispers in the ashes lie,
The sky implores, yet we deny.
Steel and smoke now wreathe the land,
A banquet served, our mother damned,
Glimmers lost in a desolate haze,
A requiem sung for brighter days.
(Chorus)
Remind yourself about your choices,
With every flick of the switch,
A silent scream, the earthās voices,
In the grip of greed, we twist.
Chains of power bind our fate,
In the furnace of our desires,
From the embers, we await,
A reckoning in blood and fire.
(Verse 2)
Waves of fury rise to scorn,
A tempest wrought by what weāve sworn,
Concrete jungles, shadows spread,
Life extinguished, futures bled.
Gales of fury roar the truth,
While the deafened drown in stolen youth,
Beneath the ice, the world will groan,
Monuments of greed are overthrown.
(Chorus)
Remind yourself about your choices,
With every flick of the switch,
A silent scream, the earthās voices,
In the grip of greed, we twist.
Chains of power bind our fate,
In the furnace of our desires,
From the embers, we await,
A reckoning in blood and fire.
(Bridge)
In twilightās grip, machines arise,
Their hollow heart, a blind disguise,
Embracing death, we forge the chains,
In laughter lost, the sorrow reigns.
Hear the weeping of the trees,
A symphony of shattered dreams,
With every breath, the warning sighs,
Yet still we dance while the planet dies.
(Outro)
Remind yourself, confront the dark,
In every choice, ignite the spark,
Beyond the storm, a fragile light,
Awake from dreams into the night.
The echoes fade, but still we strive,
To mend the scars and keep hope alive.
In the silence, let our voices soar,
For the earth demands a warriorās roar.
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Fantasy music or death metal
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