As Tears Go By (capo experiment)

Hi David,
I think for my ears, you capo was a success. I could not hear any sour notes and it sounded pretty good. Nice play and good vox make for a good play!

You are are down almost -12dB in SFN on YouTube. Can’t you run an LUFS meter in OBS via the ASIO add on? To me that would seem the most direct way to be on top of this one.

All the best,
LB

See what happens David. Everyone starts talking Clingon!:smiley:

Thanks to all for taking a listen and the encouraging comments.

And it is pretty unanimous, this is a better key for me and I should be mindful in future not to go so low.

@TheMadman_tobyjenner Maybe I do, Toby, though just an honest reflection of how I feel/felt. Maybe this is just about more hours needed, to build confidence through more and more singing, singing with better phrasing, dynamics, and pitching. YT levels not a biggie, but you understand where I am coming from :grin:

@Tbushell Love ‘strong and wrong’ Tom, certainly a fine maxim to live out. It’s a bit weird but I am not yet well-enough developed in ear-training to easily hear if my pitch is good. The singing is done in a more intuitive way. I suppose that is a good thing in a way but am also seeing slow improvement in my hearing, which I think is coming from bending practice.

@roger_holland Glad you enjoyed it, Roger.

@stitch Of course, I can transpose and play open chords, why didn’t I think of that. Thanks for the reminder, Rick. Could be fun to double-track playing open in key of C and the chords I played with the capo on. I think the latter would be in G with the A borrowed or just not diatonic?

@DarrellW Thanks Darrell. I agree, also thought the capo served the song well in this case, created interesting contrast as you said.

@saturno Thanks for such complimentary feedback, Claudia. I love the tone of my guitar heard acoustically. I think the rosewood back and sides give it wonderful warmth. Always struggled when recording direct, and am now getting good results with the TC Helicon Play Acoustic pedal and my recording setup in OBS. As for flawless, I think more the flaws were not observable and I kept playing, which is perhaps more my goal than striving for flawless.

@pc429guitar Yes, Philip, I had to retune. I try and get the capo as close to the preceding fret as possible without vibration. I think in this case there was a slight angle, which is a good idea to be more specific about next time.

@sairfingers Thanks Gordon, I’ll take a ‘terrific’. I certainly wasn’t too fussed over the end result loudness wise. But it is one of those weird little quests … how to make the recording as good as possible without any post-processing and hit the target loudness in YT. Certainly not essential. I actually think I may have cracked the process now, but won’t elaborate just yet. Maybe next weekend’s write up :grin:

@batwoman :rofl: maybe one day I’ll deliver some in-your-face screaming, Maggie. I think this was timed for the highest note in the song. Appreciate feedback on textures and pitch … my holy grail :grin:

@sclay Thanks Shane, so glad you enjoyed it and will celebrate ‘musicality’

@RonG Thanks Ron. Singing in tune has been a while coming, and am slowly building confidence to be more ‘loud and proud’.

@Socio Appreciate the generous feedback, James. I find ‘fantastic’ hard to own about my performances, but will accept it with gratitude.

@LBro Glad you enjoyed it, LBro. One of the limitations of OBS, at least as far as I can tell, is that it does not have a Master track in its built-in mixer. So now way I can figure to put a meter on the output. But this morning I have been experimenting and may have some solutions to share in future for those interested. Results so far just doing some simple talking into a headset are promising.

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I have no idea what you’re talking about on the technical recording side of your answer to me!! Do I need to educate myself?

Hi David,

Great stuff.
Brilliant song very well performed.
The guitar sounds wonderful - gives the track a sort of lullaby feel.

Really enjoyed it.

Digger

Good stuff David :smiley:
As one of the ‘capo-callers’, I was pleased to see you give this a go.
It’s always worth trying the capo first to see which key suits your range, before you go to the trouble of transcribing, or as Stitch says:

I’m glad @sairfingers dealt with the fine-tuning knobs business, as it reminds me a smidgen of Maggies popping thead :laughing:

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Sounded great to me David, I would keep the setup as it is no need to play around more it is really spot on! Thumbs up for a fingerpicking song :wink:

@saturno

Not at all, Claudia. I happen to like the technical aspects of sound engineering, using the appropriate hardware and applications to produce original songs with various instruments and layers, or making single take play and sing recordings in my home studio, with what I have as well as sometimes just the most simple approach ie my mobile phone.

Your recordings sound great and no need to do any more. So ignore my technical rambles. One day if you have the urge to do a little more then there’ll be plenty of folk to assist in the learning.

@Digger72 Thanks for that, Digger, much appreciated and glad you enjoyed it. I have always enjoyed the song, goes to show you don’t have to be too fancy to produce a pop tune that has enduring quality.

@brianlarsen I thought you might be, Brian. I have an idea bubbling and may well try something else next weekend … we’ll see. As for know twiddling, I can’t help myself. As I said to Claudia in this reply. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the engineering/production side of music on the PC. Now when the GAS bubble bursts, perhaps I’ll build a starter pedal board and become more of a knob-twister to shape tone as well … oh to have the time and money to pursue all the tempting paths.

@adi_mrok Thanks Adrian. I think this came out well, so happy with the overall setup (other than wishing it had been a little louder). I am set to conduct some more experiments, which if positive, will share in due course, that I think may make fine tuning settings as may be required if strumming rather than finger-picking. As for finger-picking, I think my approach to this song and a number of others is to use a super simple pattern. Helps me play reasonably clean and steady. One day I’d love to do fancier patterns, percussive hits etc but it is not this day :grin:

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Absolutely beautiful David, prefer this version…vocals are really getting better all the time.

@SandyMusic
Thanks Sandy. No doubt, much better for the key change. Happy to hear my vocals are improving.

I didn’t get a chance to hear your previous version, but this “experiment” came out great. Nice playing and vocals to match, awesome job.

David, that was a great performance!
This key suits you very well, don’t doubt it.
And volume balance between vocals and guitar is absolutely right. By the way, it was played brilliantly!
Leo

@Dro_1 @crocodile1

Sandro/Leo, thanks for the listen and such positive, encouraging feedback. Much appreciated.

Ahhhhh David, that was superb. I thought your voice sounded great, the capo obviously is working for you.

Yes, it’s hard work when you get used to singing a song and then you introduce/move the capo. It does take a while to readjust. :smiley:

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@SgtColon Thanks Stefan, a master of hyperbole ‘superb’ :grin: Glad you enjoyed it.

That was really really lovely, David. I think that this key definitely suits your voice.

I just sat back and enjoyed that thoroughly.

@Mari63 Thanks Mari, ‘lovely’ is lovely. A useful lesson and reminder to be mindful of key, to address any struggles at the lowest or highest end of a song’s melody

@MiJoy Thanks Mike, glad you enjoyed it and appreciate the feedback.

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Second listen as I type. David, you have really made good progress in your playing and singing. This sounded very good.
When are you going to quit your day job???
With that mug shot on the video I was thinking Werewolfs of London :joy:

@oldhead49
Dave, good to hear from you again, happy to see you taking in some recordings after a while. The business of life I guess.

Thanks, appreciate the feedback. Goodness, it has taken me a while, but eventually I think things are starting to sound decent by a reasonable yardstick.

Quit the day job … the time at which mandatory retirement is imposed on one by the Bank is sneaking up on me now. Then a second ‘career’ will be needed, though still far from that being a pro musician :laughing: no illusions or delusions.

:rofl: need to change my glasses, get round frames to channel a Zevon look.