What's happening with the AVOYP changes? New rules?

I don’t think so James. Not sure anybody wants to break the picket line yet :joy:. I did write another original song on New Year’s Eve which I might throw out soon.



That was never the intention of the Diaries on the old forum.

It was in those dark early pandemic days that happened to coincide with my finally combining singing and playing.

AOVYP was the only place to share. And although I just badged them up differently and did a video intro opposed to a type up, they were just another bunch of recordings and designed to bring a little joy to the gloom we were all experiencing. We needed some light. And note they were separate Chapters not a flowing stream.

Like I said, I questioned their validity, after we crossed the bridge and the dynamics started to rapidly change here. The New Diaries were launched in a new vain but never felt the same on my part, like they were part of the old skool not the new. So I now question again, if that was the right decision to resurrect them.

Maybe 2023 will be time for something new for me and I’ll close the books, as I really do not like the idea of a singular user based AOVYP topic, it should remain freestyle and continue as was and as is. If my method of posting those Chapters promotes this idea, then I won’t follow suit. Just as well to post stuff in the lumber yard logs and shutdown AOVYP as it will just be an extension of the Learning Logs.

I am sure we can manage this volume surge without reinventing the wheel let alone the whole damn vehicle. Lets not over complicate things.

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None of my comments were actually aimed at people who has participated in this thread, I hope you’ll all continue to post exactly the kind of music you want to!

However, it is my strong opinion and recommendation that people should strive to become better all the time. I mean, surely that must be the purpose for everybody around here?!? And if someone is posting tracks almost daily, and tracks with obvious flaws and points that can be improved upon, then that someone is wasting his/her own time as well as ours.

But I think we’re all in agreement about this, and this is the problem we’re trying to solve. Perhaps Stitch said it best - if a few is causing the problem, then perhaps it’s just those few that needs to be given a hint :wink:


I for one am glad that you resurrected them as I never got to experience them the first time around and it still sheds some light to me. .

@Kasper I totally agree with your point that we should strive to get the recordings to the best we can do before posting to get guidance from those above our play grade to take our playing to the next level. Posting when we know we can do better is just wasting not only the time of those watching our posts but our time as well as the feedback will generally be on the things we already know needs to be worked on than the things that will really help us develop to the next level.

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I really don’t know James I have nothing to do with the Livestreams and how they will be managed. To me they feel more like an audition in an empty pub, opposed to playing to a live visible audience at the OMs. Thought that feeling might change 2nd time around but it didn’t so they’re are not for me I am afraid. But yes if they are just cast out into the world of social media, then yes I would expect there to be some kick back and fallout here. Unless its well managed. Watch this space.

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It’s only fair that it’s @jkahn that breaks the AVoYP silence


Perfect for me. If I were to perform in a pub it wouldn’t be long before it was empty :wink:


Lol, happy to, got a busy day though so might be a while! :joy: I reckon it will be broken by then


I remember your hesitancy very well, mon ami , and thought it quite unnecessary at the time :smiley:
Trying out new things is good (as long as we retain circular wheels).
I was just floating that possibility in place of a previous suggestion of having a monthly thread each.
I’m happy to continue with the status quo (even if I will never cover them :laughing:).
I’ve already found my workaround, which I’m happy enough with at present.

I’m too busy ‘herding cats’ on another project to offer even a rough take on anything yet :smiley:

We needs to hear it now, my Precioussss… :smiley:

There’s an interesting discussion to be had on this topic, but this is neither the time nor the place.


That’s one thing that I never had you down for. I hold my hat up to you sir as it doesn’t look easy.

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For the settling of any issues or questions on one particular idea …

There has never been moderator proposal or discussion to limit AVOYP to one topic per person as a forever limit.

I can say with some certainty that will not happen.

The only thought of limiting anything has been as already intimated above: one new topic in a time period (of perhaps a month) that could contain several uploads and that may have post no.1 edit functions for the topic creator.

Learning Logs serve the other purpose - a one-topic place where peolle can share anything they wish for as long as they wish. That can include recordings not placed in AVOYP. That can include links to AVOYP topics. Plus diary entries, gear pics, practice routines, achievements etc etc.


Brian, dontcha do dat.

Just chatting is for water cooler moments and bantz. Not your 6-string twanging.


It’s still pretty raw Brian but will see what I can throw together :wink:

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Although a pretty avid user and reader, I must admit I don’t watch alot of AVOYPS all the way through anymore, with the exception of those I ‘know’, and first timers. Occasionally those that really grab me. There’s just too many.
The new forum, linking to the website, and probably some targetted marketing has seen this community change into a little city. Great in alot of ways, but not without its challenges.
I believe over time it’ll thin out and settle down as a matter of course, but agree there may be a need for a little finessing in the interim. Perhaps this discussion alone will go some way towards that.

Cheers, Shane


@jkahn agreed, JK, it is not an issue in terms of something that is not working correctly. My point is more that in terms of business, it is a factor in what is happening in the various windows into the Community viz Latest, Unread, Sub-category landing page.

I think one can tailor how one consumes Community content using Notifications and Watch levels.

@Richard_close2u has continued to provide further clarity on intention (of this Category), do’s and don’ts. Much of this already shared in this pinned Topic in the Category Record Yourself - Progress & Performance: Rules & Etiquette. Important Notice - #3 by Richard_close2u

As we progress, we’ll be sure to update this when necessary.

If I could have one simple wish it is that before any member posts in AVOYP (or any of the other Sub-categories) they read this post.


I think Stitch definitely has a point here. “bumping” of old threads (for whatever reason) really causes clutter. Sometimes I have to look through the thread to see if I have ALREADY commented!

Pure volume in AVOYP and the increase of people interacting with threads is probably the real issue (in itself not a bad thing!). Most of us use “latest” to see latest threads/updates and it really is now challenging to interact effectively. My habits have definitely changed and I readily admit I’ll only contribute to those threads that are interesting to me or where I see some familiar names. I try to resist the “pat on the back” comment and just do a heart/like if I’ve got nothing useful to contribute or critique. Realistically I listen to a fraction of the AVOYP that I used to simply because there are so many coming through PLUS unfortunately some - IMHO - are just using it to dump songs for whatever reason.


Whew this thread has exploded. I haven’t taken the time to read through it since I posted, so apologies if the point I make has been made already.

I think it’s important to remember that this site is part of Justin’s business. It’s his choice as to how he monetizes it. In sending heaps of new people here via his newsletters and other media, if that’s what fits his business model, so be it.

I have concerns though that an invitation like this in a recent newsletter …

… creates an expectation that there is further tutoring and mentoring available, from our volunteer mods.

Perhaps this is where some of Justin’s generosity to teach the world to play free of charge gets tripped up? It also displaces the pay it forward ethos to some degree.

I have the greatest respect and admiration for our three mods @DavidP @Richard_close2u @LievenDV who give so generously of their time and expertise. I also respect and admire those of you who volunteer your time and give so much of yourselves to helping out here.


If somebody explicitely asks for my feedback on something, that must mean there must be some kind of value in that for them. I’d gladly comply in providing constructive yet honest feedback :smiley: | Justin, his cause, this Community, all of that combined always had credit beyond a horizon I can see.


A few minor changes have been put in place to try them out.

All of Progress and Performance and the sub-categories can be sorted by time period using the drop down menu:

First posts should be user-editable without limit.

We are continuing to manually tag new posts.


That seems useful. However, the default sorting of topics within a time period seems odd. I’m not sure what the default sort order is using. I’ve started clicking on Activity to sort the topics within the time period by activity, but I’m curious what the default sort order actually is. Can you clarify?